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is it just me or is this whole moral outrage around him a tad hypocritical ?
How many of those whining about him being 'Fit and proper' were happy to fill that c8nt Bates' pockets for 8 years ?
And will any other potential investor put the fans and not their own bank accounts first ?

Drole to say the least

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Chances are most Football club owners around the world are crooked is one way or another.
For starters FIFA , now there's a fine establishment who do things by the book !
The Russian money ? Fuck me !
The game is fucking bent full stop.

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He's minted and gives a fuck.   He'll do for me.

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Toronto Ted wrote:

is it just me or is this whole moral outrage around him a tad hypocritical ?
How many of those whining about him being 'Fit and proper' were happy to fill that c8nt Bates' pockets for 8 years ?
And will any other potential investor put the fans and not their own bank accounts first ?

Drole to say the least

I am just staggered how people like the trust pile in, without a fucking clue. And journalists the same. Every fucker always has an agenda in these things. People like Mr Flamingoland and the offshore enterprise fella going on about the 'fans'. And Haigh 'trying to do the right thing',

That rumour about Bates suggests that GFH have a payment to make and all the vultures know it.

If not Cellino - and say Farnan, Pearson and co take over - how will it be better? Both of them are costs as they don't have much and who else would they be fronting?

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So it's all about the money?

Unless you are talking oligarch levels of wealth the money is a side issue, at the end of this Leeds either rot in the middle of the Prem or they rot in the Championship. At least in the middle of the championship the margins to go up aren't beyond a well run club/team and are achievable. Getting established in the middle of the Premiership I can think of nothing worse.

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Foxy Dread wrote:

So it's all about the money?

Unless you are talking oligarch levels of wealth the money is a side issue, at the end of this Leeds either rot in the middle of the Prem or they rot in the Championship. At least in the middle of the championship the margins to go up aren't beyond a well run club/team and are achievable. Getting established in the middle of the Premiership I can think of nothing worse.

Nah.  You've got to aim for the top table otherwise it makes the sport a total waste of time and effort.  I like the championship but surely we are due the sunshine on our dog's  arse for a while?  I'll take Mob sponsored bonkers over any one of the last few seasons.

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Of course you have to aim high but to be fully established as a Premiership team who could finish anywhere from 5th to 14th but most likely from 8th to 12th would soon wear thin for me. Supporters of clubs in that sort of position seem to love it.

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Foxy Dread wrote:

So it's all about the money?

Unless you are talking oligarch levels of wealth the money is a side issue, at the end of this Leeds either rot in the middle of the Prem or they rot in the Championship. At least in the middle of the championship the margins to go up aren't beyond a well run club/team and are achievable. Getting established in the middle of the Premiership I can think of nothing worse.

Its not about some ideal - its a question as to what is the intrinsic difference between GFH, Farnan & co and Cellino?

Why is one so bad and the other two good?

At least he seems to like football, been involved for a long time with one club and is sticking in his own cash.

The others are all on someone elses dime and are in cos Leeds is a cash cow.

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He's involved in football and seems to have shedloads of dosh. Worth a punt? Like we've got a say, anyway....

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My point wasn't about money ...
Its about people banging on about Cellino being corrupt yet were happy to finance Ken Bates' retirement fund.
The others ... David Haigh ... in it for the love of LUFC ? My fucking arse. They're in it for their egos and to milk it for all its worth.
At least Cellino already has a club which given its size is relatively successful and he's put his own money in for over 20 years. ( maybe taken a bit out too! )

You know what, I'm bloody delighted that someone who has run a Serie A team for 20 years and with a bit of coin  wants to buy us, Sure beats the hell out of cheapskate local businessman (without a pot to piss in ) bleating on about being lifelong Leeds fans wanting in because they know what the fans want, understand the city, the tradition ad nauseum

I'll belt up now.

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gore wrote:
Foxy Dread wrote:

So it's all about the money?

Unless you are talking oligarch levels of wealth the money is a side issue, at the end of this Leeds either rot in the middle of the Prem or they rot in the Championship. At least in the middle of the championship the margins to go up aren't beyond a well run club/team and are achievable. Getting established in the middle of the Premiership I can think of nothing worse.

Its not about some ideal - its a question as to what is the intrinsic difference between GFH, Farnan & co and Cellino?

Why is one so bad and the other two good?

At least he seems to like football, been involved for a long time with one club and is sticking in his own cash.

The others are all on someone elses dime and are in cos Leeds is a cash cow.

Why does he want a second club?

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Foxy Dread wrote:

Of course you have to aim high but to be fully established as a Premiership team who could finish anywhere from 5th to 14th but most likely from 8th to 12th would soon wear thin for me. Supporters of clubs in that sort of position seem to love it.

But if we don't rise to the next level we have no shot at the next.  If you look at the diference in cash that has flowed through clubs as shit as Wigan and Bolton over the last 10 years it close on half a billion.   Lets take the first steps and get back to the top table.  I think we can stay there.

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Why is one so bad and the other two so good?

All i know of Farnan is that he's a business man, i'm not expecting miracles or even hoping he succeeds. I've not even wondered what happens to Leeds if the Italian fails, i suppose that says something.

Cellino, will meddle too much. There is not much room for dreams in football anymore but there is the chance if you get a good manager that good things (within limits) can happen. I think there is less and less chance of getting a good manager and him staying in the job long enough if Cellino is in charge. 

I don't expect Leeds to ever recapture former glories, not even fleetingly so an owner who isn't going to take the piss  is probably as much as I'd wish for.


So why do you think this football man Cellino wants another club?

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Dunno. They media reckon he's fucked off with trying to sort a stadium out back in Sardina. Probably he sees a chance to make a few quid if he can sort it out. The other two clubs he went after were both fucked up as well, And we appear to be a fire sale at the moment.

Despite their PR, GHF are behaving as expected - but struggling to find someone to get out in profit in a timeline. Anything involving 'suits' like Farnan and Pearson make my skin crawl, they are parasites. And this fella is an active investor who wants to pick the team - and is prepared to pay 22m for the 'pleasure'.

Be a laugh if nothing else.

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I can see the appeal of the "it will be a laugh" stance I suppose that says more about the game, our prospects and what we've been through though, there is a resignation about it.

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The interesting thing is what happens if he does get chased off.

Seems GFH are running a 'mid teens of millions operating loss' - management fees anyone? And the Farnan consortium are offering 12m (up from 7m), when in all probability GFH need north of 20m for the 75% to make the deal work for them to show a profit.

Lot to be said for letting it go under and then buying the husk - in business terms, as GFH now can't do a player sale for a while nor could an administrator. Depends what GFH can live with innit.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Toronto Ted wrote:

My point wasn't about money ...
Its about people banging on about Cellino being corrupt yet were happy to finance Ken Bates' retirement fund.
The others ... David Haigh ... in it for the love of LUFC ? My fucking arse. They're in it for their egos and to milk it for all its worth.
At least Cellino already has a club which given its size is relatively successful and he's put his own money in for over 20 years. ( maybe taken a bit out too! )

You know what, I'm bloody delighted that someone who has run a Serie A team for 20 years and with a bit of coin  wants to buy us, Sure beats the hell out of cheapskate local businessman (without a pot to piss in ) bleating on about being lifelong Leeds fans wanting in because they know what the fans want, understand the city, the tradition ad nauseum

I'll belt up now.

I'm with TT on this one. Give the guy a whirl, see what happens, can it be any worse than this bunch of potless amateurs we have now?

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Leeds United: Massimo Cellino - many faces of Elland Road suitor

By Simon Austin
Football writer
Massimo Cellino boarded a flight at Leeds-Bradford Airport on Sunday morning and began the journey back to his mansion in Miami.
Leeds United fans were left behind, scratching their heads and wondering whether the surreal and chaotic events of the past week had actually happened.
To summarise, Cellino:
Tried to put compatriot Gianluca Festa on the Leeds bench for Tuesday's game against Ipswich.
Sacked Brian McDermott on Friday because the popular manager had "done everything to get fired".
Pleaded with McDermott to return on Saturday.
And all this before he has even become the official owner of the mid-table Championship club.

Who is Massimo Cellino?
Born: 1956, Cagliari (Age 57)
Business: Agricultural entrepreneur known as the "King of Corn"
Chairman: Italian club Cagliari Calcio for more than 20 years
Cellino says he completed a deal to buy 75% of Leeds on Friday lunchtime, but the Football League have yet to decide  whether he is a "fit and proper person" to own the Yorkshire outfit.
Fans of the Italian's "other club", Cagliari Calcio, can nod knowingly at all of this, because the 57-year-old is one of the most colourful, controversial and charismatic owners in Italian football.
Cellino looks like an ageing rocker and still plays rhythm guitar and drums in a band called Maurilos.
Last year, he sported a ponytail and intricate goatee, but now opts for a slightly more sober look, with greying hair to the collar.
Still, he often has stubble, a leather jacket, aviator sunglasses and, more often than not, a cigarette in his hand.
His superstitions include a fear of the number 17, which  has posed the Sardinian a few problems.
Cagliari's stadium doesn't have any seats numbered 17 for a start. Instead, they are labelled 16b.
And when a league game against Novara was rearranged for 17 September, 2011, the press office was ordered to hastily release a statement on the club website.
Unlucky for some?
One anagram of the Roman numeral for 17, XVII, is VIXI, which in Latin translates as "I have lived", with the inference "My life is over"

In a bid to counteract any ill fortune that might come Cagliari's way, fans were asked to turn up for the match wearing purple, a colour Cellino believes is unlucky.
His rationale? That one negative cancels out another. Many of the club's fans obliged and the team won 2-1.
Cellino made his fortune from the commercial agriculture business started by his father, Ercole, and is known as Italy's "King of Corn".
He originally studied accountancy but left midway through his course to take over the business.
In 1992, he bought his hometown club, Cagliari, who have been in Italian's top flight most of the time since.
There have been some great highs - like reaching the semi-finals of the Uefa Cup in 1994 and the last four of the Coppa Italia - and some lows, mostly in recent years and relating to the stadium.
In 21 years at the club, he has sacked 35 managers.
Cellino, who has a deep, gravelly voice and tends to speak in an urgent, impassioned manner, is clearly very persuasive.
Massimo Cellino
Cellino talks to Atalanta president Antonio Percassi
He talked Gianfranco Zola, one of Sardinia's favourite sons, into a return to the club in 2003, despite Roman Abramovich offering the striker far more money to stay at Chelsea.
And the results were impressive, with the forward helping Cagliari to return immediately to Serie A, where they have remained ever since.
The past few years have been tarnished by problems with the club's stadium and Cellino's personal life, though.
The owner has long wanted a new home for the club and has plans in place to build the Karalis Arena.
Work has been delayed by problems with planning and funding, though, and there are big doubts as to whether a move will ever happen.
For the last few games of the 2011-12 season, Cagliari played their home games in Trieste, a seaport some 500 miles from Cagliari.
Then they moved to the nearby Is Arena, which Cellino intended to redevelop, but it was deemed unusable and unfit for spectators, resulting in some games taking place behind closed doors.
For one match, against Roma, Cellino urged the fans to turn up anyway, which meant the game had to be abandoned. The league authorities weren't too pleased.
Now Cagliari are back at their Stadio Sant'Elia  ground, which hosted England at the 1990 World Cup.
The whole episode seems to have diminished Cellino's passion for the club, though.
Leeds: Ups and downs
Champions: Leeds won old First Division three times, the last title coming in 1991-2 which preceded the Premier League's formation
Demise: They reached a Champions League semi-final in 2001 but were relegated three years later after being engulfed in financial problems
Recent history: Slipped into League One before returning in 2010 to the Championship, where they currently lie 11th
He recently allowed star player Radja Nainggolan to join rivals Roma, explaining wearily: "It's not an issue of money.
"We play in a stadium worthy of Serie C and the players had to travel all around Italy for two years because we weren't allowed a home stadium. I can't keep Radja in these conditions."
Cellino still faces court action.
Last February, he and the mayor of Quartu Sant'Elena, Mauro Contini, were arrested on suspicion of attempted embezzlement and false representations regarding the development of the Is Arena.
The arrest warrant described Cellino as a man "of marked criminal tendencies... capable of using every kind of deception to achieve his ends".
He was held in custody at Buoncammino Prison for 16 days, during which time a group of Cagliari fans stood vigil outside, singing his name and displaying messages of support.
The players dedicated subsequent wins over Pescara and Torino to the owner.
Cellino already has two criminal convictions, making it questionable whether he will pass the Football League's ownership test.
In 1996, he was given a suspended 14-month sentence after being convicted of deceiving the European Union and Italian Ministry of Agriculture out of £7.5m.
In 2001, he received a 15-month suspended sentence for false accounting at Cagliari.
Frustrated in his ambitions for his beloved hometown club, Cellino has been looking to buy an English team for the past few years.
In 2010, he tried to buy West Ham and told me his first move would be to sack their manager - his former darling at Cagliari, Zola.
This tells you a lot about his mercurial and unpredictable nature.
David Gold and David Sullivan were eventually preferred bidders, leaving Cellino outraged.
He turned his attentions to Crystal Palace, a move which did not reach fruition, and is now close to buying Leeds, having claimed two weeks ago he was just an adviser to another consortium.
Leeds fans have been angered by the turmoil at Elland Road
Leeds fans have been angered by the turmoil at Elland Road
Asked why he performed an apparent U-turn over McDermott, Cellino claims it is current owners GFH who did not want him.
"GFH are still running Leeds United," he said. "They did not want Brian as manager but didn't have the courage to sack him.".
The Italian will spend the coming days in Miami, waiting anxiously for the Football League to decide whether he is fit and proper to buy one of English football's most famous clubs.
Life under him would probably be chaotic and controversial.
But never, ever, dull.

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warnock on talkshite this morning, pointing the finger at Gfh.

Got more soul, than a sock with a hole.

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http://www.football365.com/john-nichols … -Spectacle

The money available to Premier League clubs is often talked about as though its a great thing; the sheer enormity of the resources from ever-improving TV deals gets a lot of people very excited. This season it has been bigger than ever before but an odd thing has happened. Rather than the huge resources improving the quality of clubs throughout the league, it seems to have made at least half of them awful. Rather than the huge money attracting a better quality of player the standard has actually dropped.

Consequently, the bottom ten in the league from Villa downwards are possibly the worst shower of sh*te we've seen in many a year. The fact that a side as poor as Villa are tenth is indicative of where we're at. Eleven clubs are fighting relegation and they are mostly awful most of the time.

All that money invested, all the desperation to stay in the top flight in order to keep the money flowing, all the player and managerial changes and what is it all for really? To try and win about eight or nine games and draw a handful more to stay up with 35 points just so they can do it all over again next season? I find myself wondering quite what the point of it all is.

It's great to come up and for a season or two, finish anywhere from 17th to 9th but when that's all you do, season after season and everything is sacrificed to this endless repetition, what does it really achieve? These clubs simply can't make the top four and don't want to make a Europa League place because they fear it'll distract them from the business of being 17th to 9th. Similarly the cup competitions are a bit of a nuisance and can stretch resources a bit thin. They don't want to lose an important player and be thrown off their campaign to hang on in the Premier League.

The irony of this obsession with top flight status is that all the money you got from being in the top flight has been blown on a massive fee and wages for the likes of Ricky Van Bear-Penis, so you're no better off. All you've done is wasted money on players who would have cost a lot less if everyone hadn't known you were so rich. Thus your income, though increased, buys less.

Secondly, what are you worrying about anyway? If you get relegated, the parachute payments are so good for four years that there's no reason to drop off a financial cliff unless you're an idiot and haven't put relegation clauses into players' contracts.

As a fan, losing is a tedious business. I would far rather win 50% of the games in a season in a lower division than 25% in a higher one. It's just more fun. I'd far rather be in a league which at least had something you could aim to achieve such as a play-off place, or even promotion. This bottom ten we're watching now have little to zero chance of ever being anywhere other than in the bottom ten. They have nowhere to go and nothing much to achieve other than holding onto the Premier League status so they can buy more Ricky Van Fox-Schlongs next year.

Getting promoted is great for a couple of seasons. It's all new and it feels like a real achievement but soon it becomes a pointless existence because there is nothing more to achieve - you can tangibly feel this at clubs like Fulham and Stoke. It doesn't even matter if you're not very good because there are ten other not very good clubs as well and that means the standards required are not that high to keep in the league. Which is perhaps why the bottom ten this season are usually so poor to watch.

Decades ago there was the chance of rising up the league and challenging for honours, but now the top seven are so financially superior that can't happen. No other club has the resources to ever get higher than seventh. All the extra TV money is effectively redundant because they still can't compete.

Don't fans of these clubs get bored? Bored of losing a lot more than winning, bored of there being no light at the end of the tunnel. Bored of pretending finishing 11th is better than 13th. Bored of not being able to compete and bored of being expected to pay handsomely for the privilege of merely existing in the Premier League. No highs, no lows; just existing, nothing but existing.

If this bottom ten harden into a permanent rump plus newly promoted teams - and this seems pretty likely give or take one or two sides having an exceptional season now and again - it's like having a league within a league, and though it's always great to see a big side like Manchester United getting beaten by Stoke City, it won't make the prospect of seeing the Potters playing Fulham or Norwich any more attractive to the neutral, quite the reverse if anything. This season it already feels like that bottom ten are a uniquely hollow void, a seedless world of impotence where mere existence has been redefined as achievement.

Because anyone in the bottom 10 could feasibly get relegated this year, it should make it all the more exciting and I suppose it would if watching any of them play football wasn't a 75% chance of being bored to the point when your eyes start to want to crawl out of your head. The occasional good game isn't impossible but typically, it doesn't happen.

Wouldn't it be a fantastic twist of fate and illustrative of the sickness of modern corporate finance if the quality of the league turned out to be in inverse proportion to the amount of money invested in it and the more that was poured into it simply made it worse and worse and worse.

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Agree with that. Least Everton are having a go. Newcastle 50.000 nearly home + no ambition. Embarrassing.

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latest:
Italians picked the side on sat...then BMcD changed it back
Salam gave no vote of conf to BMD this morning when challenged on Cellino saying 'GFH wanted to sack BMD but were too cowardly
haigh and co joining Farnan and co for a joint bid
sponsors ready to claw back money, injunct club for using logo ( all shirts pulled off sales etc)
All we are waiting on now is the Football League to rule on Fit & proper Test
The Chief executive of the Football league is...Shaun Harvey

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Think they might be winning them over

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I see that article above refers to the value of games to the neutral fan.  I've never, ever given one single shit about any other game (aside from the odd overseas preference I suppose) unless the result affects us.

It's Sky's problem if the game is uninteresting to the neutral I suppose, I would just rather see us dining at the top table so to speak and I don't really care what tactics Leeds adopt so long as they give it some fucking pasty and come off the field fucked.

I'd liek to see BMcD stay as he's a nice fella but if they are going to shower him with resources I suspect they will wan tto know why Murphy was out the side and Wooton and Zaliukas have been pony.

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