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....and as the whole thing unravels, it begins to be apparent what an evil, all encompassing entity the EU is. All nice and friendly and full of bon homie, whilst you're doing what the want and paying your subs, but when you exercise your democratic right to leave, they bare their teeth, and show their long held hatred for the UK. What started off as trading organization, has become a controlling force. 52,741 laws passed since 1990, is one hell of a volume. We were tolerated so long as we put the money in, but the centuries old rivalries bubble under the surface. As a country, we voted to leave, and it is imperative we leave on terms that do not mirror membership, but with harsher conditions. They are trying to make us wear sack cloth & ashes. What's the rule with contracts? That people are put in a better position by their ending, than if the contract had been performed? It's not for them to dictate to us how we exist as a country post brexit. I am happy to give Gibraltar back to the spanish right after they give cueta & melilla to morocco, the US is returned to the native americans and palestine back to the palestians, until then, park a vanguard in the harbour and if they want it, come and take it. It'd be interesting to see who the spanish would get do do their fighting for them, because they've done fuck all since 1604 (other than simmer with resentment) and don't have any money in the coffers to pay anyone of any repute. We don't want to fight but by jingo if we do, we've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too...... smile


We've got gangsters in the Costa Del Sol ready to derail trains, cut phone lines and spike the water supply in return for royal pardons.

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Will Pablo Hernandez have to go out on loan like Ardilles did in 82?

More to the point,will he turn up if he does?
He seems to go missing on his travels.

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Half a billion quid to turn the passports back to a deep shade of blue? Seems legit and is after all what the public wants. Never mind the queueing you'll have to do with one, get the shade right why don't you.

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....and as the whole thing unravels, it begins to be apparent what an evil, all encompassing entity the EU is. All nice and friendly and full of bon homie, whilst you're doing what the want and paying your subs, but when you exercise your democratic right to leave, they bare their teeth, and show their long held hatred for the UK. What started off as trading organization, has become a controlling force. 52,741 laws passed since 1990, is one hell of a volume. We were tolerated so long as we put the money in, but the centuries old rivalries bubble under the surface. As a country, we voted to leave, and it is imperative we leave on terms that do not mirror membership, but with harsher conditions. They are trying to make us wear sack cloth & ashes. What's the rule with contracts? That people are put in a better position by their ending, than if the contract had been performed? It's not for them to dictate to us how we exist as a country post brexit. I am happy to give Gibraltar back to the spanish right after they give cueta & melilla to morocco, the US is returned to the native americans and palestine back to the palestians, until then, park a vanguard in the harbour and if they want it, come and take it. It'd be interesting to see who the spanish would get do do their fighting for them, because they've done fuck all since 1604 (other than simmer with resentment) and don't have any money in the coffers to pay anyone of any repute. We don't want to fight but by jingo if we do, we've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too...... smile

The right at war, pt 2398749839

Gone down really well in Spain, fodder for the Spanish Michael Howards, makes the UK look more and more mad (and old) to a lot of other people.

The Telegraph headline that the British navy could `cripple Spain` was a real winner.

If Gibraltar leaves the EU, it leaves the EU. They want to stay British. Ok fine, then they have to leave the EU.

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I think that plenty of countries will be putting in the sly digs at the UK, whilst enjoying the security of the EU's protection, in these post brexit times. Just like Wednesday do when the police are there. Spain is on it's arse economically, so Gibraltar gets raised as an issue, just as the Falklands did by Argentina. The last time I was in valencia, i witnessed respectably dressed people eating food from bins. The irony/hypocrisy of a country that will not afford the same discussion about cueta, melilla, the basque region & Catalonia. Fuck 'em, they want it 1. to give us a bloody nose & 2. for its strategic importance.

To my simplistic mind, it's the ending of an agreement & the withdrawing from a club, and it should be done amicably. What we sell to the EU/world, we consume from the EU/world, ying/yang. EU Exports for January 2017 were £12.8 billion and EU Imports for January 2017 were £19.5 billion. Non-EU Exports for January 2017 were £15.5 billion and Non-EU Imports for January 2017 were £18.6 billion. We are a big player, and we should be able to be treated as such. If not, we stop and wait. European countries will ring us before we ring them. German car manufacturers, french wine producers, Spanish farmers & greek halloumi growers will be pressuring their respective governments to sort out their interests. If not, we've got the weaponry to bomb brussells back into the stone age. big_smile

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Does beg the question why the fuck we left in the first place? So much talk from the Brexit mob now sounds like making the best of a very bad fucking job. I have no fucking clue where we go in the next few years. Neither it seems do any of those in charge of deciding that. As bad as the EU may have been in some respects what was the fucking point of leaving? Where are the benefits coming from? Particularly when you look at the type of people queuing up to shape that future. Low tax, bargain-bin country with fuck all protection for those that need it.

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I think that plenty of countries will be putting in the sly digs at the UK, whilst enjoying the security of the EU's protection, in these post brexit times. Just like Wednesday do when the police are there. Spain is on it's arse economically, so Gibraltar gets raised as an issue, just as the Falklands did by Argentina. The last time I was in valencia, i witnessed respectably dressed people eating food from bins. The irony/hypocrisy of a country that will not afford the same discussion about cueta, melilla, the basque region & Catalonia. Fuck 'em, they want it 1. to give us a bloody nose & 2. for its strategic importance.

To my simplistic mind, it's the ending of an agreement & the withdrawing from a club, and it should be done amicably. What we sell to the EU/world, we consume from the EU/world, ying/yang. EU Exports for January 2017 were £12.8 billion and EU Imports for January 2017 were £19.5 billion. Non-EU Exports for January 2017 were £15.5 billion and Non-EU Imports for January 2017 were £18.6 billion. We are a big player, and we should be able to be treated as such. If not, we stop and wait. European countries will ring us before we ring them. German car manufacturers, french wine producers, Spanish farmers & greek halloumi growers will be pressuring their respective governments to sort out their interests. If not, we've got the weaponry to bomb brussells back into the stone age. big_smile

Its not the cost, its the share. Iirc 44pc of UK exports are to the EU and about 10pc (i cant remember exactly) come the other way, the EU wont want to lose 10pc of its exports sure, (German cars etc) or see them cost more, but the UK wont want to lose 44pc etc.

More or less the UK is no longer in control of very much.

Already the EU said, no trade talks before divorce. The UK can't do anything it will have to go along with it. The EU holds most of the cards.

And the UK's recent economic burst, its on consumer spending, backed up by cheap credit. If inflation stays (a bit) high that will go as well. Cheap credit, debt, rising house prices...hmm where did we hear that before...?

Here is RBS chief economist today:
The wrong type of growth. The final estimate of Q4 GDP growth came in at 0.7%, boosting the overall pace of growth for 2016 to 1.8%. Most striking is the strength of household expenditure which rose 2.8% last year, far faster than capital formation (basically investment by public and private sectors) which rose by just 0.5%. Business investment had a particularly poor Q4, falling by 0.9%, reversing Q3’s rise. That means business investment fell in 2016, shrinking by 1.5%, the first contraction since the recession in 2009. Disappointing investment is hurting broader measures of growth. Record levels of employment are normally good news but when combined with mediocre growth overall they mean GDP per head rose just 1.1% in 2016, slower even than 2015’s 1.5%. No wonder wage growth is weak.

Pushing the envelope. Consumers’ spending isn’t just boosting growth, its changing their financial situation as well. The saving ratio fell to a new low in Q4 as households put aside just 3.3% of their income. Have they had enough? Not likely. The latest monthly borrowing figures show debt rising at 3.9% in February as mortgages grew at 3% and unsecured credit expanded by 10.5%. That’s a lot of extra credit card, personal loan and car finance deals, almost £20bn more over the last 12 months. This year the question is whether such optimism will survive the squeeze on incomes that higher inflation will bring.

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Does beg the question why the fuck we left in the first place? So much talk from the Brexit mob now sounds like making the best of a very bad fucking job. I have no fucking clue where we go in the next few years. Neither it seems do any of those in charge of deciding that. As bad as the EU may have been in some respects what was the fucking point of leaving? Where are the benefits coming from? Particularly when you look at the type of people queuing up to shape that future. Low tax, bargain-bin country with fuck all protection for those that need it.

Quite simply, the pushing forward of immigration/open borders and the feeling that the UK was getting taken for a ride. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people have this view, and the EU has done nothing to change it. Even when it became apparent that the smallest of gesture by them might change the result of the referendum, they sent Cameron home like a scolded cat.

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Immigration wasn't `pushed forward`. Borders weren't open either. And the UK wasn't taken for a ride, or even a trip on horesback.

It's the financial crisis. And the establishment's cover for it. They all covered for the financial crisis and their part in it, even the remain side.

Why are people moving/emigrating all over the world? Why are they moving in the first place?

The private sector collapsed. It demanded handouts from govt and simultaneously told govts to cut public services, then the establishment - i include the desperate-to-be-the-establishment types like Farage and Trump - blame anything but the financial system.

Still, the remain establishment can't bring up the crisis, as if it ever went away...

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As i said, not my view, but what i perceive to be the views of others.

What I meant by that comment was the enlargement of the EU membership and the perceived rapid movement of people from eastern Europe to the UK. Poland, Latvia etc. Surely that all happened pre crisis? Why do people move? To where they think that they can best provide for themselves and their family.

The taken for a ride comment emanates from the view, whether truthful or perpetuated by the media, that the UK always seems to lose out on issues relating to other EU states, fishing rights, farming quotas, etc. That the UK seems to be burdened by legislation, whilst other countries seem to ignore/not be bound by it. That also pre-dates the financial crisis.

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I realise these views are widely held.

But if anyone in remain had been able to articulate the reasons...why public services have been cut, why there is too much migration, why wages fell...because of the financial crisis, then Brexit may not have happened.

But they couldn't.

The ECB is going to continue quantitative easing, the US has interest rates of 0.5pc...eight years after the depth of the crisis...Brexit is just a footnote...

...just to add, what an idiot Corbyn is, that even a supposed socialist couldn't articulate this.

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The EU is answering the people who said it acts like a protection racket by acting like a protection racket.  There's nowt wrong with a European trade and tarrif deal but it stopped being that a long time ago.

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Are you talking about Gibraltar?

The treaty which governs Gibraltar's relationship with the EU (and its border) is an EU treaty. Done by the EU. So when the UK (and Gibraltar) leaves the EU the treaty will lapse.

This will then mean the UK/Gibraltar will have to negotiate a new treaty, with the EU, and of course Spain will have its say, and possibly a veto on the new deal.

That's not a protection racket. It's exactly the thing the Gibraltans/ese said would happen. And the Tories have just made the chances of a decent deal a lot worse by saying they would go to war with Spain.

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Well it would seem that leaving the EU by democratic means is harder than removing a slow witted family member from a secretive religious sect.

I'd offer you a beer, but I've only got six cans.

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Well it would seem that leaving the EU by democratic means is harder than removing a slow witted family member from a secretive religious sect.

You'd think that they hated us enough to grease the rails.

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Reggie Perrin wrote:

Well it would seem that leaving the EU by democratic means is harder than removing a slow witted family member from a secretive religious sect.

You'd think that they hated us enough to grease the rails.

Hates us and loves making us pay for developments that eventually take jobs from our people.

Some of the rhetoric about "exit fees" is a little confusing.  Surely there is no question that we continue to pay whilst we are members but after that, no.  We as a country don't commit to projects, the EU do and if they have committed to projects two three years down the line then scale them back, pay for them out of the pot of money available at the time or cancel the fucking things.  What a stupid way to run an organisation.  They can't just run I as though we are still a contributor when we clearly voted not to be.  It's going to get nasty it seems.

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Can't we just say it's all been a terrible mistake, say soz and stay in?

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Reggie Perrin wrote:

Well it would seem that leaving the EU by democratic means is harder than removing a slow witted family member from a secretive religious sect.

You'd think that they hated us enough to grease the rails.

It would appear so, wouldn't it? The EU's negotiating position appears to be 'we intend to ruin you during and after the Brexit process'. The thin veneer appears to be exposing centuries old anti British sentiment and German/French imperialistic intent.

It's like a bizarre divorce isn't it? Where one side is saying 'Although it's a forced marriage, I really don't intend to grant you a divorce, but if it does happen, i'll do it grudgingly, but you've never got to date another person again, you can only work in these types of jobs, you can only cut your hair like this, I don't want your mother talking to her next door neighbors ever again, you're dad has got to sell his car and you've basically got to run all your future lifestyle choices past me'. I say 'Fuck 'em', and i'll say it again, 'fuck 'em'.

Funny how after Spain's rebuttal of Michael Howard's sabre rattling, they've parked up a 1970's warship inside Gibraltar waters three times. I reckon they've got people working for them on the inside. I've never fully trusted them barbary macaque monkeys that live there, I suggest we send jeff stelling over to soften them up & find out who's side they're on. I also suggest parking HMS Audacious in Cadiz harbour for a few days. Show 'em who the real mesters are. smile

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It is going to get nasty.  You needed 28 countries to agree to anything which led to small nations holding big nations to ransom with their veto power.  So any fucking trade deal that benefitted the UK had to be paid for with hand outs to minor fucking nowhere places.  The same will happen with the Brexit talks.  Every shitty little place will want their handout or they'll not vote for it.

The EU will show itself to be the racket that it is.

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Misura wrote:
space wrote:
Reggie Perrin wrote:

Well it would seem that leaving the EU by democratic means is harder than removing a slow witted family member from a secretive religious sect.

You'd think that they hated us enough to grease the rails.

It would appear so, wouldn't it? The EU's negotiating position appears to be 'we intend to ruin you during and after the Brexit process'. The thin veneer appears to be exposing centuries old anti British sentiment and German/French imperialistic intent.

It's like a bizarre divorce isn't it? Where one side is saying 'Although it's a forced marriage, I really don't intend to grant you a divorce, but if it does happen, i'll do it grudgingly, but you've never got to date another person again, you can only work in these types of jobs, you can only cut your hair like this, I don't want your mother talking to her next door neighbors ever again, you're dad has got to sell his car and you've basically got to run all your future lifestyle choices past me'. I say 'Fuck 'em', and i'll say it again, 'fuck 'em'.

Funny how after Spain's rebuttal of Michael Howard's sabre rattling, they've parked up a 1970's warship inside Gibraltar waters three times. I reckon they've got people working for them on the inside. I've never fully trusted them barbary macaque monkeys that live there, I suggest we send jeff stelling over to soften them up & find out who's side they're on. I also suggest parking HMS Audacious in Cadiz harbour for a few days. Show 'em who the real mesters are. smile


Top post btw.

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Can't we just say it's all been a terrible mistake, say soz and stay in?

And that is 'their' intention isn't it. The mirage of democracy. Only give people a vote in a mechanism that means the status quo isn't affected. If forced to diverge from this, only allow it when you are sure of the outcome, if this somehow fails, move heaven an earth to frustrate the process, if this fails, scrap the result by any means possible.

Regardless of people's viewpoint, a major issue was put before the country, one person-one vote, both cases were put forward and the majority voted in favour of a course of action. The process is/was far more democratic than they way we elect MP's and governments in this country and how we went to war, and yet a number of those very people are doing their damnest to scupper it. All this bollocks about 2nd referendums and being put back before the house, etc really boils my piss. Add to this gina 'fucking' miller, tony 'bastard' blair and richard 'twatting' branson attempting to influence things. It sickens me, it really does.

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I think it's more the fact that May looks lost. Everything is so robotic, sound-bite full, substance lacking. She doesn't seem to have any power or bollocks. Actually she might have bollocks looking at her.

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I've always shied away from conspiracy theories of one world governments, etc, but fuck me the whole EU thing makes you wonder. As i said, when you are going along with their wishes, then everything is wonderful and everyone's happy and free and we all live in a socialist utopian europe where everyone drinks coffee and orange juice and eats croissants and wear those funny shape danish shoes that some off here like. 'Cos its not about the money & big business its about the people and trans boundary unity and its about democracy. Everyone's kids are on erasmus exchanges and everyone has got a house in provence and everyone has dinner parties with their spanish doctor neighbours. But fuck me, when a country sticks their head above the parapet and challenges the way things are going at any level or arm of the european operation, they get threatened and/or shit on. Banks accounts have 'hair cuts', industry gets privatised, islands get sold, When the situation is so serious that they have to call upon Tony Blair, the company's uber shill to re-emerge, which is a fairly risky strategy, you have to wonder how far this has still got to go and how it will all end.

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I think it's more the fact that May looks lost. Everything is so robotic, sound-bite full, substance lacking. She doesn't seem to have any power or bollocks. Actually she might have bollocks looking at her.

I can't bear to hear her talk or watch her. She makes my skin crawl. Mr Burns with tits. Appalling dickhead.

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