Topic: Hillsborough Inquest

Jurors have reached a majority decision on whether the 96 victims of the Hillsborough disaster were unlawfully killed.

The jury of six women and three men had been deliberating since 6 April after hearing evidence for two years.

The forewoman said at least seven of the nine jurors had reached agreement on the unlawful killing question in a 14-section questionnaire.

The conclusions will be formally returned at 11:00 BST on Tuesday.

Jurors had already reached unanimous conclusions for 13 of the questions. The remaining question - for which they were given a majority direction- asked whether the 96 were unlawfully killed.

To answer yes, jurors must be "sure" that Ch Supt David Duckenfield, who was in overall command of the police operation, was "responsible for the manslaughter by gross negligence" of those who died.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36128693

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Hey ho...

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Justice. And about fucking time.

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Harvest wrote:

Justice. And about fucking time.

^ This

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Andy Burnham:

"This has been the greatest miscarriage of justice of our times. But, finally, it is over. After 27 long years, this is real justice for the 96, their families and all Liverpool supporters. The survivors of this tragedy can finally be remembered for what they were on that day - the heroes of Hillsborough who tried to help their fellow fans.

The Hillsborough Independent Panel gave us the truth. This Inquest has delivered justice. Next must come accountability. For 27 years, this police force has consistently put protecting itself above protecting those hurt by the horror of Hillsborough. People must be held to account for their actions and prosecutions must now follow.

Disgracefully, lawyers for retired police have attempted to continue the cover-up in this courtroom. They made it an adversarial battle in defiance of the Lord Chief Justice’s ruling. This has been brutal on the Hillsborough families and put them through hell once again. The current leadership of South Yorkshire Police needs to explain why it went back on its 2012 apology at this Inquest, prolonging the agony for the families.

The sense of relief we feel is tempered by the knowledge that this day has taken far too long in coming. The struggle for justice has taken too great a toll on too many. But the Hillsborough families have at long last prevailed and finally their loved-ones can rest in peace".

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Decent men like Dr. John Ashton; http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/proje … index.html

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About fcking time.
There is one thing that eats away at me in about Hillsborough and its' this:

In April 1972 my dad took me the the Leeds/B'ham FA cup semi final at hillsborough and we were in the Leppings lane. We got in early and went to the front, or as far front as you could because right at the front was a seven foot high wall. It started filling up and quick, and after a while  I could see my dad getting nervous.

By 2.30 we were pushed against a barrier, arms rigid to try and stop the crush and asking for people to move back, by 2.45 everyone was shouting and screaming for people to get back; but the police did nothing. Out of desperation,  the dads got all their sons to climb up on their shoulders and one by one we were passed over their heads and over the wall (with difficulty)  i was worried sick about my leaving my dad, but after watching the game  pitchside we met up and went up together.

That was 1972 and both Sheffield Wednesday, the police, the ambulance service ALL knew what a deathtrap Leppings lane was, EVEN 17 years before.

If there had been fences up like in '89, I wouldn't be writing this.
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It was well scary in the semi against Coventry in 87 there as well. Nobody could say they didn't see it happening. That's the tragedy.

I remember going down to Chelsea on a coach the week after Hillsborough happened and there was a whip round for the families of the victims. People were chucking notes in. The general feeling was "it could easily have been us".

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It could.

Though the opportunity to damn a city and its people was readily taken up.

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Truth, surely? There's been no justice as yet, but it should come now with this result.

The families have been immense.

Could have been anyone of us.

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Ingham ? Always was a cunt

Take off hosers ...

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Toronto Ted wrote:

Ingham ? Always was a cunt

It would appear he still holds those views.

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Mega Armageddon Chickens wrote:
Toronto Ted wrote:

Ingham ? Always was a cunt

It would appear he still holds those views.

As do many. Had a do with a bloke at work today. Still trotting out the 'drunken Scousers to blame' shite. Was quite surprised at how much I tore into him.
I remember coming down that hill after getting off the train in '87. They were counting people and brought us down in groups. Convinced that saved people that day.
I'll be surprised if there's a manslaughter prosecution but I can't see any reason not to pursue those who are alleged to have orchestrated the altering of statements etc. At the risk of lapsing into cliche, the fans have faced the court of adverse opinion for 27 years. About time the coppers faced a proper court.

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You could argue the disaster was due to incompetence an accident waiting to happen, but what really gets me is how the powers that be tried to systematically shift the blame and cover up the truth.

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The narrative has stuck though.

Look how threadbare this thread is.

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Let's get AHH on here, soon turn into a 10 pager smile

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Funny how the truth came out the day after the tragedy via some press channels.

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Decent article here

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 … ed-decades


Todays pop quiz - Which two national newspapers make no mention of the inquest verdicts on their front pages?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 … gh-verdict

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The David Conn piece is brilliant.

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The fried chicken and going on the piss to unwind - public fucking servants my arse.

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Noticed neither The Sun (no surprise) or The Times (mildly surprised) carried this on the front page. By ignoring it it's as if they're pretending it didn't happen. The Sun's editorial points out they've apologed before for their lies (The Hillsborough lies, not all the others) which I guess they think kind of makes it alright.

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luxury_scruff wrote:

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Is this a real letter, LS?! Christ on a bike. Bernard Ingham, though. Nuff said.

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So, let me get this straight. Police being ordered to change statements and to declare these as true in court, in order to shift the blame on to the fans? Is this not perjury, falsifying statements and any number of other illegal things that if Joe Public did would see them serving time? How many plod are going to end up behind bars as a result? I think we know the answer.

And as for the Sun and TImes and that bellend Kelvin Mackenzie, what did we expect? Why do people continue to buy that Murdoch-owned trash, anyway? Don't they like thinking? I think we know the answer to that, too.

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90Piesanhour wrote:

So, let me get this straight. Police being ordered to change statements and to declare these as true in court, in order to shift the blame on to the fans? Is this not perjury, falsifying statements and any number of other illegal things that if Joe Public did would see them serving time? How many plod are going to end up behind bars as a result? I think we know the answer.

And as for the Sun and TImes and that bellend Kelvin Mackenzie, what did we expect? Why do people continue to buy that Murdoch-owned trash, anyway? Don't they like thinking? I think we know the answer to that, too.

I think some officers will be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice. I said yesterday that I didn't think they'd got for manslaughter but given the prevailing mood you never know.
I know he's been accused of jumping on a bandwagon but Burnham was right to call out the senior officers of South Yorks police for the manner in which they conducted the inquest, particularly given that it backfired spectacularly.

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