Topic: Conspiracy Theories

Well it looks as though Al Fayed hasn't made much headway proving any conspiracy behind Lady Di's death. Although I'm sure the theories will still continue.

Anyway to cheer up those of you out there who like a good conspiracy theory (myself included) - here's a list of three conspiracies there were (almost) proved to be true.

Reichstag Fire 1933
Apparently the act of communist terrorists, but in fact committed by Nazi henchmen in order to convince General Hindenburg to grant Hitler emergency powers to deal with the communist threat. Thereby ending democracy in Germany.

The assasination of Gregoris Lambrakis 1963
"It was an accident" claimed the Greek police and right wing goverment, but it eventually transpired that this was a state sponsored assasination. The excellent and gripping film Z (1969) is dramatization of what happened.

The Bologna station bomb 1980
Made to look like the act of left wing terrorists, in order to give the far right emergency powers. It's the Reichstag fire tactic all over again. But it wasn't to be. It was soon revealed to be the act of Fascist insurrectionists - who were prepared to murder 200 people.

So there you have it - governments really do commit acts of murder and try and make it appear like something else.

Are there any others? I mean ones that have actually been proven to be conspiracies.

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Proof? Have you seen Capricorn One?

Perhaps someone could ask Dr David Kelly about the truth behind that dossier made on Iraq's extensive collection of weapons of mass destruction?
Killed himself you say?

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Even if the establishement were involved in Di and Dodi's death they were hardly going to be rumbled by ... the establishment.

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Corn Circles.

Did they ever get to the root of them?

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Reg Presley from The Troggs - isn't he into all that carry on?

Call me up in dreamland. Radio to me man.

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Harvest wrote:

Reg Presley from The Troggs - isn't he into all that carry on?

How did he do em? Did he sprinkle a little bit of fairy dust on the bastards?

Anyone got the Troggs Tapes?

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Clacker wrote:

Will have to ask the bloke in the pub for a ruling on this.

http://bishkek.kp.ru/daily/24073/310548/

"Is there a secret world government?

A book written by former British intelligence officer John Coleman was recently released in Russia.

The Committee of Three Hundred

Many people no longer believe that presidents, premier ministers and other "visible" officials rule their countries. Instead, they suspect that the real authority – one that is powerful, unwavering and secret – is concentrated in the hands of others. Like the masons for example. The truly paranoid have devised the so-called "International Conspiracy Theory," which tells how a handful of wealthy, highly positioned individuals rule the world. This group of decision-makers launches wars, invents deadly diseases and pumps the population full of narcotics, alcohol and pornography to get rid of the world's dead weight. Consequently, a population of 1 billion select individuals will someday remain. They will freely enjoy the blessings of nature – clean air, freshwater and natural food. 

It seems ludicrous, but recently a British intelligence officer from M16 has asserted that this secret international organization does exist in his book, "The Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of Three Hundred."

"During my career as an officer in British intelligence," Coleman writes, "I received access to strictly confidential documents on numerous occasions. Their contents were unexpectedly straightforward. I learned that there are powers that control the governments of many nations. I was taken aback and decided to inform a world living in ignorance. Imagine a powerful group that doesn't recognize any national borders that is involved in the financial, insurance, coal-mining, pharmaceutical and oil industries -- whose members only answer to the group. This is the ‘Committee of Three Hundred,' an elite group that has ruled the world from 1897. Its backbone today is the world's 300 most influential people." "

this has been said for years - remember the Antony Hopkins film Nixon where he goes to meet all the capitalist-military shithead billionaires who tell him not to 'worry about Kennedy - Kennedy wont be running in '64' and to run for the Whitehouse again as they need a good ole boy like him at the helm? In short Larry Hagman runs the USA

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All you've got to do is look into the work of the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) no secrecy. It's all out in the open.

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Womble wrote:

Bill Hicks.....

I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut, it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media. I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down ... and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before ... that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?"

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Clacker wrote:

The Committee of Three Hundred

Isn't that the Bilderberg group?

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JFK, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, the lone gunman theory, we all know that's bollocks, but as far as I know, it's never been proven otherwise. I doubt it ever will.

Got more soul, than a sock with a hole.

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No nutters here Clacker. Just "world leaders" in their own words...


"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other." Myron Fagan

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.

"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers." U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind." George Herbert Walker Bush

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. " British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)

"What is important is to dwell upon the increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil." Christian Science Monitor editorial, June 19th, l920

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world." Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen.

"The government of the Western nations, whether monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semi-occult power which....pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War I." British military historian Major General J.F.C. Fuller, l941

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite." Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable." Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the Electorate - Is Government by the People Possible?

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future." U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." Former Congressman John Rarick 1971

"The directors of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) make up a sort of Presidium for that part of the Establishment that guides our destiny as a nation." The Christian Science Monitor, September 1, l961

"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.

"The planning of UN can be traced to the 'secret steering committee' established by Secretary [of State Cordell] Hull in January 1943. All of the members of this secret committee, with the exception of Hull, a Tennessee politician, were members of the Council on Foreign Relations. They saw Hull regularly to plan, select, and guide the labors of the [State] Department's Advisory Committee. It was, in effect, the coordinating agency for all the State Department's postwar planning." Professors Laurence H. Shoup and William Minter, writing in their study of the CFR, "Imperial Brain Trust: The CFR and United States Foreign Policy." (Monthly Review Press, 1977).

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." Harpers, July l958

"The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

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So what is so gosh darned bad about a world government, is what I'd like to know? It seems like nation against nation hasn't got us very far.

No doubt I'm being naive though.

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Real Sociopath wrote:

So what is so gosh darned bad about a world government, is what I'd like to know? It seems like nation against nation hasn't got us very far.

No doubt I'm being naive though.

Loss of nation hood (hence all constitutional rights, including voting) and that's just the start.

Imagine a totalitarian regime and then imagine it governing the world.

What hasn't got us very far is state corporatism and banking elites (in the "planned" view of history these elites are behind virtually all the major wars and assassinations of those who would try and affect change)

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Would a nice benevolent world govt be impossible, then?

ON second thoughts don't answer that big_smile hmm

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l.q.navarro. wrote:

JFK, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, the lone gunman theory, we all know that's bollocks, but as far as I know, it's never been proven otherwise. I doubt it ever will.

Try these two docs, stunning stuff, especially the first.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 5206489846

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 869908853#

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The man shooting from the knoll is allegedly one Lucien Sarti, a Corsican herion traffica and contract killer for hire out of Marseille, killed in Mexico in 1970. The source on this one Christian David another Corsican Gangster, last I heard he was still in Prison in France, might be dead by now. An American investigator found this out and had it corroborated by one of the DEA's top sources who is in witnesses protection program. Can't remember the name of the witness but he was regarded as being one of the most reliable witnesses the DEA had eve had.  The investigator handed all this over to the State department and the FBI who said thanks very much and promptly did nothing.

Marrs  is a better author than he is film maker. Dubbing in you own gun shots just muddies the water...

His book "Crossfire, The Plot That Killed Kennedy" is very good and exaustively researched.

Also good is "On The Trail Of The Assassins" by Jim Garrisson himself. This is harder to come by and generally costs around $60 US, Garrison is of course the New Orleans DA who prosecuted Clay Shaw the New Orleans socialite. The Dick Helms "CIA Op's Directorate" have admitted that Shaw was a contract agent in 1963.

If anybody actually beliefs that Oswald did it, PM me, I've a bridge you might be interested in buying.

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albert herbert hawkins wrote:

The man shooting from the knoll is allegedly one Lucien Sarti, a Corsican herion traffica and contract killer for hire out of Marseille.

Ellroy touches on this or similar in Blood's A Rover.

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Mol wrote:
albert herbert hawkins wrote:

The man shooting from the knoll is allegedly one Lucien Sarti, a Corsican herion traffica and contract killer for hire out of Marseille.

Ellroy touches on this or similar in Blood's A Rover.

Wasn't it Woody out of Cheers's dad and a couple of other contract killers dressed as hobos?

The same Woody Harrelson, by the way, who starred in Natural Born Killers, which was directed by Oliver Stone, said director having previously made JFK.

And people say there's no We Are The World Government, ha!

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oneallanclarke wrote:
Mol wrote:
albert herbert hawkins wrote:

The man shooting from the knoll is allegedly one Lucien Sarti, a Corsican herion traffica and contract killer for hire out of Marseille.

Ellroy touches on this or similar in Blood's A Rover.

Wasn't it Woody out of Cheers's dad and a couple of other contract killers dressed as hobos?

The same Woody Harrelson, by the way, who starred in Natural Born Killers, which was directed by Oliver Stone, said director having previously made JFK.

And people say there's no We Are The World Government, ha!

The triangulated crossfire in the movie  was a feature of the Garrison case so more than one gunmen. Sarti however is the gunman cited for the grassy knoll shot. His preferred MO was wearing a uniform preferebly a police uniform as a disguise, according to the testimony of Christian David.

Heres a link to the Badgman image of what appears to be a rifleman firing from behind the fence on the knoll wearing a uniform...


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … CBkQ9QEwAg

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albert herbert hawkins wrote:

Heres a link to the Badgman image of what appears to be a rifleman firing from behind the fence on the knoll wearing a uniform...


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … CBkQ9QEwAg

All that is in the first link I put above as well as the forged autopsy photos.

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Yeah but he's dubbed 5 gunshots onto edited footage. Didn't get past that I'm afraid

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Yes, but they are the actual sounds recorded by a motorcycle cop present that day so relevant. He shows half a dozen different films or more taken that day including a pristine Zepruder and two of the grassy knoll as the fatal shot hit once the film starts proper. It's well worth watching.

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Mol wrote:

Yes, but they are the actual sounds recorded by a motorcycle cop present that day so relevant. He shows half a dozen different films or more taken that day including a pristine Zepruder and two of the grassy knoll as the fatal shot hit once the film starts proper. It's well worth watching.

Sold!

Thanks Mol, I'll give it a whirl

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I recall a tv doc around the 25th anniversary talking about a sicilian, and one that ran a list of all the witnesses who had come forward and all had died...
Jack Ruby's last interview was chilling- Ruby fearing for his life, and the life of his family told the Warren commission...."Well, you won't see me again. I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over the country, and I know I won't live to see you another time"

Contains moderate violence and sustained threat.

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