Topic: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

My daughter was made redundant over a month ago with minimal payment from her ex-employer.  She's got a flat and a 5 year old child to support.  Not only has she not got any UC through yet, they have just told her not to expect a first payment until the end of November at the earliest.  That will be nearly three months without income.

How the fuck is happening?

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Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

Welcome to my two year world of hell. No food, heat, electricity or hot water and 3 suicide attempts this month. I'm a bit shit at it but I'll get there eventually. The latest checked by the police who called Sunday night after a tip-off.

"We've had a call, are you OK"

"No, they threw me out of hospital for the third time yesterday, I cut my feet this time, my arms are fucked and the stomach pump is brutal".

"Well, we just needed to check. Bye".

DWP Tuesday: "You missed your second appointment. Your claim is cancelled. You can re-apply but as the switch-over to Universal credit is ongoing in Leeds it could be 11 weeks. Bear in mind if you do not access your UC credit account every day and meet the requirements as dictated your claim will be cancelled"

"I have no money for food or electricity, never mind internet and the library can be sporadic"

"The UC agreement you signed is quite clear in what you need to do"

"OK so. Thanks"

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

I'm completely broken. Done, dusted. Just take them both in and get her to sign off. It'll kill her. That's its purpose.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

Fucking Hell Mol.  I didn't know shit was that bad for you.

Is there anything I can do?

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space wrote:

Fucking Hell Mol.  I didn't know shit was that bad for you.

Is there anything I can do?

Anything WE can do?

You are what you repeatedly do. Excellence is not an event - it is a habit.

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Fucking hell Mol sad

Owt we can do?

#DoTheDai \o/

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Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

Crowdfunder, perhaps?

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Ditto. Happy to help in anyway.

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Goes without saying. Please make contact with any of us on here Mol.

Call me up in dreamland. Radio to me man.

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I just want to go home. Not that straightforward and not just about money. I'm permanently estranged from my family so remarkably I fail residency rules despite being Irish born and bred. Without family I have no claim to residency. If I was Non-EU and turned up at the airport they'd bend over backwards, funny old world.

That's not me being Tory btw, they are welcome, I mean that, just don't understand why I am not and not given the same treatment. I have contacted some homeless charities in Mayo, no chance, no housing, Galway city maybe but huge lists. Very best scenario, 2-3 years in a temporary B&B on the list unless I can call in favours but I'm a long time gone.

Still, I'll take my chances. I'd rather be destitute there than here. This country is no place for the ill or poor. There's a hardness I've never witnessed before and it's terrifying. It's going to get worse.

I can't accept anything, but thank you. I've had help from some here and it's eating me alive, so no more. I can't live with it, it adds to the weight of helplessness and that's, in small part what's killing me.

I'll sort something.

Space, if you can, take her in and get her off that. Get both of them off that.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

Daniel Blake. 

The poor are to blame didn't you all know?  Not RBS, Not Deutsche Bank, not Merrill Lynch?  Blacks, browns, Muslims, groomers, baby boomers, anti-fascists, the homeless, the disabled, the poor and ill are to blame. They must be, the daily mail says you should begrudge them what they have so they must be right?

I'd offer you a beer, but I've only got six cans.

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Mol, I'm sure you've tried bit of not, Leeds Irish Health and Homes may be of some help.

I'd offer you a beer, but I've only got six cans.

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My other half has been ill since birth, and about two years ago Atos decided she was fit for work. She's not, the assessment didn't cover the times she is in hospital, the times she cant get out of bed. It covered if she was able to pick up a pen, if she got the bus to the assessment. Its a cruel and callous way to attack the weakest in society.

I don't compare her situation to you though Mol. All the best mate, I hope something comes good soon.

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I've been everywhere Reg. Them (bar a foodbank voucher) only help the 55+ years old's and categorically stated there are no homes anyway. "You'll be long dead before one comes up". At least they were honest.

Conservative list of agencies contacted...

Engage Leeds
Leeds Housing Options
Citizen's Advice
Connect For Health
Leeds Council
Leeds Council Welfare
GP

...many many more.

All voluntary bar the council and so, completely powerless to change anything. Council sympathetic but classed me as Band C in Need. AKA, no fucking chance lad. Council welfare have stopped issuing me foodbank vouchers as I'm "Overusing the facility" though I can still get them from the nurse at the surgery who's not a cunt like my GP. Problem is it's in Cross Gates and I can't walk more than 200 yards, they have an outlet by the Irish centre but same.

I can only have dry foods, pasta etc as the electric keeps going off, everything in the freezer/fridge goes off. Trust me, there is only so many times you can have cold pasta and gravy before you start throwing up at the smell of it. Why gravy? Morrison's value gravy is 30 odd pence a box, pasta sauce 42p a jar so too expensive to have every day. I can get 10 goes from the gravy. That's been my diet for over a year.

I'm skin and bones, look like death not warmed up and those agencies that could and should help don't and those who gladly would can't. I'm still better off than a lot as I still have my wits about me. There's a cafe down by Roundhay Road that does free meals, pay as you like job. They've spoken to me after being there a few times and said I'm welcome everyday but doesn't feel right, I go a couple of times a week for baked spud and beans and the like. I can't stomach much else now after all this time. Soup and bread OK too.

I could go on and on. I'm in agony here, feet cut to ribbons by a broken bottle, can't have painkillers 'cos I don't trust my mood. I don't want to die, I just keep trying to kill myself so someone in authority and with the power to change might help. There's no one. All I did was get ill. Don't get ill.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

My daughter is currently enduring a similar situation Space.
She made the mistake of wanting somewhere smaller and therefore more affordable,which ultimately would cost the state LESS in housing benefits etc.
Bear in mind she has 2 kids aged 5 and 1.

Her "prize" for this was for them to scrap her current claim and start afresh.
In the meantime she's gone 2 months without help,not a carrot and I've had to bail her out and paid the deposit and first months rent on the new place so she can at least move out and get her deposit/bond back on the old gaffe.

I'm a guarantor for the rent so got a feeling I'll be laying out a lot more before it's all sorted,if at all.

Bear in mind I'm currently out of work myself so have had to call in on one of my pensions and am currently making a big hole in my savings which were supposed to be left well alone until later in life.

Obviously pales into significance compared to what Mol is going through...genuinely hope you get sorted fella...and you're dead right,this place is truly fucked.

Sister in law and her chap have just moved to the Algarve on a long term rent,cheap as chips.

They have the view that it's better to be skint with the sun on your back than struggling here in this hovel.

Can't really disagree with that.

Managerial endeavour = houses = money.

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Sorry to hear that OW. Someone should catalogue the faces of those entering and leaving the York Rd DWP office. Would be a golden if shameful time capsule. I do have to say, the staff there are decent in the face of what they are required to do but more bouncers present than a Wetherspoons for a Leeds away game.

I've been cut off again as I was in hospital for my last appointment, doesn't matter, claim closed, new claim required {which of course means rent not paid that period and that in itself a whole other nightmare....)

So I went on Tuesday and they had balloons pinned up all over the building like it was Christmas. I asked why...

"It's for the switch over/roll out to Universal Credit".

I kid you not.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

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What gets me is,there doesn't seem to be a fit and proper process for amending an existing claim.
Why is it nearly always scrap and start again?

...and then the wait!

...and still the fucking wait!

Managerial endeavour = houses = money.

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Oh and S&V my 'fitness' assessment consisted of 45 minutes of disregarding all my genuine health issues and at the end asking me to bend down and touch my toes. Again, I kid you not.

I have incurable lung disease, amongst other issues, thyroid, anxiety, depression etc etc.

The lung disease entitles me to free prescriptions for life as the NHS says I'm going to die from it and cannot work as that and my thyroid [cancer twice, completely removed now but replacement pills don't work right] means my metabolism and mobility are permanently fucked. But I can touch my toes.

I got 0/15 of the 15 criteria on the not fit for work assessment.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

0/15.

My consultant at Jimmy's is a professor and the the UK's leading specialist, recognised as such but a part-time maternity nurse moonlighting for ATOS thinks I'm fine because I can touch my toes. Never mind I cant actually breathe and have three inhalers just to get upstairs. Most days I can't, I live on the sofa.

OW, that's the thing. You never get that money back either. It's eugenics for cash, I'll not be convinced otherwise.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

Space don't take this as having a go. It's not meant to be It's things like Universal Credit why I think it is important to vote the Tories out, and if that means not voting the way i would really like to because of a fucked up electoral system then so be it. As it happens I don't have a vote anyway but...

Some harrowing stories even on here from an extremely small cross section of the populace, just think of the horror when this is magnified by the tens of thousands if not more.

Mol you say you cannot accept any help, we could do it discreetly and privately with as little fuss as possible.

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They didn't even wash the blood off my feet in casualty btw, just roughly bandaged and bundled straight out. No mental health assessment this time. Still stained up to my knees, no hot water at home. Toenails are caked in it. The NHS can't cope.

Anyway, the yoofs of LS8 are in the library wanting the PCs. Look after your own, no-one else will.

He spent all night staring down at the lights of LS. Wondering if he could ever go home.

Re: Universal Credit A.K.A. Lets starve the poor

Mol wrote:

Oh and S&V my 'fitness' assessment consisted of 45 minutes of disregarding all my genuine health issues and at the end asking me to bend down and touch my toes. Again, I kid you not.

I have incurable lung disease, amongst other issues, thyroid, anxiety, depression etc etc.

The lung disease entitles me to free prescriptions for life as the NHS says I'm going to die from it and cannot work as that and my thyroid [cancer twice, completely removed now but replacement pills don't work right] means my metabolism and mobility are permanently fucked. But I can touch my toes.

I got 0/15 of the 15 criteria on the not fit for work assessment.

I can believe it. Our last got 0 points and was told she was lose her benefit. Appealed and had to go to the magistrates court and get grilled with some incredibly personal questions, even though it was a done deal she wouldn't win. Over the years she has had many operations, had to go through every imaginable examination and says the appeal hearing was the most humiliating experience of her life.

It's a system designed to punish those that most need help. Unless you know someone who has been through it or been through it yourself, its hard to get your head round how awful it is.

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Smutty Lips wrote:

Space don't take this as having a go. It's not meant to be It's things like Universal Credit why I think it is important to vote the Tories out, and if that means not voting the way i would really like to because of a fucked up electoral system then so be it. As it happens I don't have a vote anyway but...

Some harrowing stories even on here from an extremely small cross section of the populace, just think of the horror when this is magnified by the tens of thousands if not more.

Mol you say you cannot accept any help, we could do it discreetly and privately with as little fuss as possible.

Smutty.  Things like Universal Credit is why I would never vote Tory.

I don't know why everyone thinks I'm a Tory, but that's always the go to argument when someone criticises Labour.

Incidentally, it was Tony Blair and (New) Labour that stopped Doctors from assessing people for sick benefit and handed it over to the lowest bidding private company.  That's one of the reasons I don't vote for them cunts either.

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I sometimes refuse to go to certain countries based on their collective beliefs or government. For example I refused to go to Italy this year after their shift to the right in the elections earlier this year. I'm getting to the point where I really don't feel I should be visiting England anymore. It's not so easy and not something i can do just now but that's how i feel given things like UC, Fracking and other things.

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Space I know you aren't Tory but if anti Tories don't vote to the best local option of defeating them (UKIP excepted) then nothing changes.

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