Re: Professor Jordan Peterson

fuzzy dunlop wrote:
Ray Hankin's shorts wrote:

Every group is becoming radicalised these days - can't wait for it to be the WASPs turn

WASPS are not allowed to do that ever again. That mad German cunt 80s years ago spoilt it for all of us smile Seriously, the extent of polarisation that seems to be happening in people's political views worries me. Social media and the echo chamber effect doesn't help, along with the algorithms that sites like Youtube use. If you start watching a young conservatives video on there and just let the auto selections keep playing you'll be watching golden dawn stuff before long. They do it to keep people watching, it selects progressively extreme options. Quite disturbing when you think of the impressionable minds out there.

Mis, that's an excellent post btw. I find all this really interesting and its got me properly thinking for the first time in a good while instead of fannying about through waves of daily confusion about the world. One thing in that Cathy Newman interview that I'm not sure about is when she gets him onto the thing about lobsters and their social hierarchies. I'm always a bit dubious about comparing scientific findings in animals to humans when it comes to social systems. They don't have the same conceptual apparatus as us and are not embedded in anything like the worlds of meaning that we are with shared language, culture, the capacity for rational thought etc. I can see currieforengland's point about the possibility of authoritarian views in that but still...I've ordered his book. No doubt I will get a third of the way through, get bored of the waffle and it'll sit on the shelf for years like most of the books of that ilk that I try to apply my monkey mind attention span to but we'll see. Cheers.

Of course,  by buying the book,  you're now implicated as an ALT-right sympathiser.  People will search through your social media history and pull up every -ist thing you've ever written and you will be demonised 

If I wasn't so anti them,  I'd suggest this was some sort of government driven conspiracy theory - keep everyone sweating the small stuff while they screw the World in front of our very eyes

I've linked this before but it speaks a lot (to me at least) to what I think might be going on!  Just substitute beer/drugs for social media!

You are what you repeatedly do. Excellence is not an event - it is a habit.


Re: Professor Jordan Peterson

Ray Hankin's shorts wrote:

Of course,  by buying the book,  you're now implicated as an ALT-right sympathiser.  People will search through your social media history and pull up every -ist thing you've ever written and you will be demonised

Shit. The one about having a thing for slightly chubby ginger lesbians will get me crucified. I once said on facebook that Dapper Laughs needs a boot in his front bum for telling rape jokes. That's good right? Perhaps shouldn't have used the term front bum. Its a minefield.


Re: Professor Jordan Peterson

Another good interview involving JP, this time with Russell Brand. JP's playing Hammersmith Apollo in May for those who are interested. 

Apologies TT, it appears your 'Cosmic Ordering' may have some basis in science; 'Future Authoring' (1:04:00). sad

I hope you went out smiling like a child, into the cool remnant of a dream.


Re: Professor Jordan Peterson

Don't bother buying the book, John Crace has read it for you … ested-read:

12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan B Peterson – digested read
‘Here’s a rule that’s catnip for right-wingers everywhere: do not bother children while they are skateboarding’

John Crace

Just a few years ago, I was an unknown professor writing academic books that nobody read. Then, with God’s help, I decided to stop feeling sorry for myself and develop my potential. Pinkos and wishy-washy liberals had cornered the market in cod psychology, so I guessed there must be a huge hunger for a self-help book, backed up with religion, mythology, CAPITAL LETTERS and stating the obvious – one directed at responsible, socially minded conservatives craving some pseudointellectual ideology to prop up their beliefs. And bingo! Here are my 12 Rules for Life.

1 Stand up straight with your shoulders straight
Most lobsters are complete bastards left to their own devices. Most humans are complete bastards left to their own devices. This proves there is a God who wants us to have Order. Order is Masculine and Chaos is Feminine. Therefore to move towards Order, we all need to man up. Happiness is pointless. We are all on this Earth to suffer. So learn to suffer like a man. Not everyone can be as rich and successful as me, but try to be less of a failure than you already are.

2 Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping
The story of the Garden of Eden shows that we are all touched with Original Sin But you have a choice. You can either seek Heaven or be dragged down into Hell. Yes, you have a shameful, sinful nature but for God’s sake just make a bit of an effort. Stop waiting for other people to dig you out of your pitiful hole.

3 Befriend people who want the best for you
We are all Being. Just some of us are better Beings. Learn to tell the difference. Some people are beyond help. They are merely exploiting the willingness of good people to help them and, as Dostoyevsky rightly observes, will drag you down to their level. So stick with the winners. If people are determined to screw up, let them. They are nothing to do with the Divine Purpose.

4 Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not the useless person you are today
Face it, you’re never going to be that smart, so don’t compare yourself to someone who is. Start by getting on your knees to pray. Even if you don’t Believe in God. Atheists are merely people who are blinded to the true way of Being. There, you feel marginally less useless already.

5 Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
Remember that children are born with Original Sin and have a huge capacity for Evil. They are not Innocent Beings. They need Discipline if they are going to grow up to be even vaguely worthwhile humans. And slap them if necessary – don’t listen to what the lefties say.

6 Set your house in order before you criticise the world
Remember the story of Cain and Abel? Well, read it then. Yes, Abel was a schmuck who deserved to die and Cain wasn’t quite as goddamn perfect as he thought he was. He deserved to die, too. We all deserve to die. So stop moaning if someone is richer and better looking than you.

7 Pursue what is meaningful, not what is expedient
Life is suffering. The Book of Genesis tells us that. There is no easy way round this. So quit looking for short cuts and start reading Nietzsche.

8 Tell the truth. Or at least don’t lie
To be honest, I’m scrabbling around for thingsbut my publishers tell me I need 12. By telling you the Truth about this, I am an Improved Being. Certainly better than you.

9 Assume the person you are listening to knows something you don’t
Just shut up, quit moaning and listen to me. I know things you don’t. So don’t expect me to listen to you. That’s not the way things work. I’m here to make you feel Better about Yourself by telling you things you already know in a way that makes you feel clever.

10 Be precise in your speech
Confront the chaos of Being. Don’t try to beat about the bush. Things are going to be terrible. Oedipus killed his Dad. You may well kill yours. Get over it. Face up to the real horrors of the world.

11 Do not bother children while they are skateboarding
This is the rule that’s the real catnip for right-wingers everywhere. Want to know why the world is falling apart? It’s because liberals are turning boys into girlies with their namby-pamby ways. Let boys do boy things and girls do girl things. Nowhere in the Bible does God say anything about this trans nonsense. There’s nothing wrong with men having all the best jobs and women staying home to look after the kids. So back off, ladies, and give us men a break.

12 Pet a cat when you encounter one in the street
OK. So I really am scraping the barrel now. We’re all going to die. Probably painfully. So just make the best of what you’ve got. If you see a cat, stroke it. You might feel better. Though probably not. And if there are no cats, pet something else. Like a dog.

Digested read digested: Blessed are the Strong, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Snatching misery from the jaws of glory since, ooooooh, 1973?


Re: Professor Jordan Peterson

big_smile That's pretty funny ^  I'm halfway through the book. Can't argue with most of what Peterson says. It seems like good, solid, common sense, practical advice for improving your life. But by God does he labour a point?! Its boring the fanny off me if I'm totally honest.


Re: Professor Jordan Peterson

fuzzy dunlop wrote:

Its boring the fanny off me if I'm totally honest.

^ I get right on my own nerves sometimes. Stuck with it and there's a hell of a lot of wisdom in there on reflection. The chapter on raising kids in particular is excellent.