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I felt that this game was the one that could have easily seen a significant wobble occur, the seed of doubt that in previous seasons has grown in to the wild bramble and 2nd hand wank mag ridden thicket of capitulation.

However!! After that performance from every player I can only see the confidence and momentum growing. They were unbelievable, every one of them. Hard to pick a man of the match out. Clarke won on it on tv but for me, a performance that emphasised the response to previous doubting and inevitable implosion it has to be to Forshaw. He was magnificent tonight. After some very average performances against Hull, Forest and QPR. Tonight he proved the doubters wrong (especially me).

Also Cooper, what a difference he made tonight. Not just his towering defending but his interceptions and his distribution. Please, please, please stay fit...

That was an ace night.

Derby looked shell shocked. They barely created anything. We were chatting at half time and all came to the conclusion that the way we played was like how we'd been dominated by teams like Brighton, Wolves and Swansea (under Rogers) in previous years. Where we looked on at their style of play and thought "wish we played like that".

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Agree Placid.
Genuinely thought we'd get a tonking against them and felt we were teetering to the point it was all about to turn to dog shit again.
Not a Forshaw or Alioski fan but both had their best games for some time last night.
As for Clarke....what can you say,the lad can be anything he wants in the game.

Lampard should be more concerned about how a team with a bigger squad,bigger budget and bigger wage bill have been turned over twice with consummate ease instead of preaching morals (the irony!).

As for those two drama queens Darren Bent and Keith Andrews?...dry your eyes you pair of soppy cunts!

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Someone please tell me that there was lots of  binocular holding amidst chants of "We can see you!", towards Fat Frank. Missed the game as was out at the cinema.

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Did you listen to Keith Andrews, he practically slated Jansson before the game saying Leeds play better without him, after the game says Leeds will never win automatic promotion with that squad, and Derby had quality on the bench tonight as opposed to Leeds, well it didn't show tonight, what a prick.

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Revieswhites wrote:

Did you listen to Keith Andrews, he practically slated Jansson before the game saying Leeds play better without him, after the game says Leeds will never win automatic promotion with that squad, and Derby had quality on the bench tonight as opposed to Leeds, well it didn't show tonight, what a prick.

Bielsa should play a recording of Andrews'  views on our automatic promotion chances before every game.

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Revieswhites wrote:

Did you listen to Keith Andrews, he practically slated Jansson before the game saying Leeds play better without him, after the game says Leeds will never win automatic promotion with that squad, and Derby had quality on the bench tonight as opposed to Leeds, well it didn't show tonight, what a prick.

That makes no sense surely.  It's like saying the restaurant you just had a shit meal in is world class because its got a nice door.

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More importantly, Andrews’ hair:

Real or wig?

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JunctionUltra wrote:
hendersonjones wrote:
JunctionUltra wrote:

What’s embarrassing about his interview? I suppose Bielsa is super cool for being a cheating twat big_smile

big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile 6-1

Haven’t you got some flats to build big_smile that Clarke’s decent, not related to sniffer is he?

Asked the same question last night he isn't

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Did anyone see Darren Bent going on about Peacock Farrell should have been sent off for catching the ball!? Watching it again this morning and I still can't believe some of the comments from them two clowns.

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THEY HATE US.

WE LIKE THAT.

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Did anyone see Darren Bent going on about Peacock Farrell should have been sent off for catching the ball!? Watching it again this morning and I still can't believe some of the comments from them two clowns.

He would say that, he's a striker.

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The BPF challenge.  When blows are shown in slow motion it amplifies the impression that the attacker meant the blow to hurt.  It's a tactic used by prosecutors in the US.  I don't think there was any intention by BPF to do anything other than deflect the imminent impact of the Derby player cannoning towards him.  He should have kneed the cunts teeth out like any other goalie would have.  If you dive into a keeper like that then the unwritten rule is that they can make you sorry you did it.

As for "Frank Lampard's Derby County®", they had bought into their own press.  The expected to have improved over the last time they played us.  They expected us to have our heads hanging down over Spygate.  They expected a lot of things but were instead served up a double helping of dry bumming, just like in August.

And Leeds?  I don't know why I was expecting us to flag as the last two league defeats we still looked like we were playing good football.

Anyway....  If you're not on twitter then you've missed out on a night of anti-Leeds abuse and watching the Derby cry like babies.

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Was it offside for the penalty that wasn't given? Not seen a clip.

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Harvest wrote:

Was it offside for the penalty that wasn't given? Not seen a clip.

No. Deffo onside.

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90Piesanhour wrote:
Harvest wrote:

Was it offside for the penalty that wasn't given? Not seen a clip.

No. Deffo onside.

It wasn't even close to being offside.  There was a good five feet in it.

I reckon the linesman had been wrong footed and was out of position when he made the call.

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space wrote:

The BPF challenge.  When blows are shown in slow motion it amplifies the impression that the attacker meant the blow to hurt.  It's a tactic used by prosecutors in the US.  I don't think there was any intention by BPF to do anything other than deflect the imminent impact of the Derby player cannoning towards him.  He should have kneed the cunts teeth out like any other goalie would have.  If you dive into a keeper like that then the unwritten rule is that they can make you sorry you did it.

As for "Frank Lampard's Derby County®", they had bought into their own press.  The expected to have improved over the last time they played us.  They expected us to have our heads hanging down over Spygate.  They expected a lot of things but were instead served up a double helping of dry bumming, just like in August.

And Leeds?  I don't know why I was expecting us to flag as the last two league defeats we still looked like we were playing good football.

Anyway....  If you're not on twitter then you've missed out on a night of anti-Leeds abuse and watching the Derby cry like babies.

Disagree, I think BPF meant it. Not that I'm arsed.

And think Fat Face Fucker Frank completely mishandled spygate(TM), swooning like a Mary Ellen, unsettled his own players. They were absolutely shite, played off the park.

Any chance we can have Placid's "the seed of doubt that in previous seasons has grown in to the wild bramble and 2nd hand wank mag ridden thicket of capitulation." after we're done with Andrews Eraserhead hair reference?

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Mike Jones wrote:
space wrote:

The BPF challenge.  When blows are shown in slow motion it amplifies the impression that the attacker meant the blow to hurt.  It's a tactic used by prosecutors in the US.  I don't think there was any intention by BPF to do anything other than deflect the imminent impact of the Derby player cannoning towards him.  He should have kneed the cunts teeth out like any other goalie would have.  If you dive into a keeper like that then the unwritten rule is that they can make you sorry you did it.

As for "Frank Lampard's Derby County®", they had bought into their own press.  The expected to have improved over the last time they played us.  They expected us to have our heads hanging down over Spygate.  They expected a lot of things but were instead served up a double helping of dry bumming, just like in August.

And Leeds?  I don't know why I was expecting us to flag as the last two league defeats we still looked like we were playing good football.

Anyway....  If you're not on twitter then you've missed out on a night of anti-Leeds abuse and watching the Derby cry like babies.

Disagree, I think BPF meant it. Not that I'm arsed.

And think Fat Face Fucker Frank completely mishandled spygate(TM), swooning like a Mary Ellen, unsettled his own players. They were absolutely shite, played off the park.

Any chance we can have Placid's "the seed of doubt that in previous seasons has grown in to the wild bramble and 2nd hand wank mag ridden thicket of capitulation." after we're done with Andrews Eraserhead hair reference?

Yeah he meant it.  Good on him, should have got a yeller at least.  Just another thing I loved about the game.

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BPF stuck his leg out to stop getting clattered mid-air by their forward steaming in. Self preservation as OC said. I bet that silly cunt Bent would have said nothing if their striker clattered into BPF mid-air and BPF had to be carried off.

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Chopper Read wrote:

BPF stuck his leg out to stop getting clattered mid-air by their forward steaming in. Self preservation as OC said. I bet that silly cunt Bent would have said nothing if their striker clattered into BPF mid-air and BPF had to be carried off.

My point exactly.  He had no business going at a keeper in the air like that.  He was never going to get the ball.  It was reckless.  BPF was wrong to show studs but he shouldn't have had to.

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Mike Jones wrote:
space wrote:

The BPF challenge.  When blows are shown in slow motion it amplifies the impression that the attacker meant the blow to hurt.  It's a tactic used by prosecutors in the US.  I don't think there was any intention by BPF to do anything other than deflect the imminent impact of the Derby player cannoning towards him.  He should have kneed the cunts teeth out like any other goalie would have.  If you dive into a keeper like that then the unwritten rule is that they can make you sorry you did it.

As for "Frank Lampard's Derby County®", they had bought into their own press.  The expected to have improved over the last time they played us.  They expected us to have our heads hanging down over Spygate.  They expected a lot of things but were instead served up a double helping of dry bumming, just like in August.

And Leeds?  I don't know why I was expecting us to flag as the last two league defeats we still looked like we were playing good football.

Anyway....  If you're not on twitter then you've missed out on a night of anti-Leeds abuse and watching the Derby cry like babies.

Disagree, I think BPF meant it. Not that I'm arsed.

And think Fat Face Fucker Frank completely mishandled spygate(TM), swooning like a Mary Ellen, unsettled his own players. They were absolutely shite, played off the park.

Any chance we can have Placid's "the seed of doubt that in previous seasons has grown in to the wild bramble and 2nd hand wank mag ridden thicket of capitulation." after we're done with Andrews Eraserhead hair reference?

I read this on Twitter

Leeds sent one person to watch Derby train on Thursday and Derby sent 11 to to watch us train on Friday.

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Superb article

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LEEDS UNITED 2-0 DERBY COUNTY: SECRET JOY
In 2018-19 articles, Free, Leeds United, Leeds United Match Reports 2018/19 by Moscowhite • Daniel ChapmanJanuary 12, 2019

It’s unbelievable that Marcelo Bielsa sent a spy to watch Derby County’s training sessions this week, and in August, and has presumably done the same before every match with every opponent this season. But it’s also no surprise. And it’s wonderful that when Bielsa telephoned Frank Lampard to talk about it, it was only to confirm that Lampard’s suspicions were correct. Apologise? No.

We knew that Marcelo Bielsa and Leeds United were a combination that would deliver, but I don’t think anyone could have predicted this hilarity, any of it. Football is funny when its morality starts showing, because out of all the outrages of just the last week — the historic clubs at Blackpool and Bolton being destroyed by rogue owners, the FA’s long running failure to act on Lucy Ward’s discrimination case — it’s ‘spygate’ that has clutched association football’s collective pearls, with demands for points deductions, replays, enforced dismissals and deportations. Something has to be done about this, this specifically, although nobody can actually pinpoint what has specifically been done that is wrong.

Some of the outrage seems to be about the level of organisation. Football mythology is filled with tales of cheeky opportunism: nicking the discarded notes from a meeting at a team hotel, paying off residents for a look through their windows at a training pitch, listening to team talks at dressing room doors. But from the start of this ‘incident’, the language of ‘spying’ used by Derby — the club and the police force — created a humourless vacuum; well, except in Leeds. Deep frowns and serious expressions ensured this wasn’t ever going to be a quirky tale like a manager breaking the rules of his suspension inside a laundry bin, for example. This was a Very Serious Matter, from the moment Derby’s staff called the police to deal with a man standing on public land looking through a fence, instead of just telling him to fuck off. Football taking itself too seriously? Or just Frank Lampard?

This week I was thinking about Bielsa’s attitude to the transfer market, comparing it to the wasteful madness that moves Gary Madine from club to club every January, and also comparing to our own club before we were relegated from the Premier League. Peter Ridsdale and David O’Leary were determined to buy every player they could, whether they needed them or not; Bielsa is determined to train every player he can, to make them better. He couldn’t be more opposed to the forces that destroyed us. Thinking of the more recent example of Jose Mourinho’s moaning about better defenders not being bought for him, I ended up telling Rick Broadbent in The Times that Leeds might go back up to the Premier League like a ‘moral jewel’.

You’d get thrown out of Keith Andrews’ house for saying something like that this weekend, but I still think it holds true. Bielsa hasn’t taken a bung here, or paid a bribe. He hasn’t told a player — let’s call him ‘Browneh’ — to go break an opponent’s legs. He hasn’t extracted millions of pounds of football supporters’ money through the financial back door of a football club, held open by weak ruling bodies. No ordinary people’s lives have been adversely affected by his actions, nor have any undeserving people been enriched.

Marcelo Bielsa tried to get some additional information to help win a game of football. That’s the crime. And it’s the most innocent transgression. Bielsa is obsessed with football, and obsessed with it as a means of making the public happy. He sees it as his responsibility to win games and, by doing so, cheer people up.

“In a nutshell, even if people think we work for money, football is a search for strong emotions,” Bielsa said, early in his time at Leeds. “At the end of the day what you remember with football is the emotions. You feel a lot better when you remember emotions than when you count money. Sometimes we learn this reality late.” He went on: “The result of our work [in football] impacts on the senses of the people, and especially working-class people. Of course I feel a deep responsibility. I am a little bit worried about this. It is very important for me to be at the level of their expectancy.”

I suspect there’s a dividing line in the views of Bielsa’s spying mission, that puts those who think football is now only a business on the side of the outraged, who think points should be deducted or games replayed because millions of pounds are staked on promotion to the Premier League. On the other side of the line are those who recognise that Bielsa’s desire to please working class fans by ensuring Leeds United win games of football makes him too pure for this world.

It’s that difference, more than what was or wasn’t learned through binoculars in Derbyshire, that truly contrasts Marcelo Bielsa and Frank Lampard, Leeds United and Derby County. Bielsa approached Lampard warily for the pre-match ritual handshake, standing in his own technical area and watching Lampard’s body language, until he judged it was right to approach. After a brief contact they separated into their different worlds.

Lampard was oddy immobile for the entire ninety minutes. His coaching staff stayed in the dugout while he stood rooted to the spot in his technical area, hardly talking to his bench, rarely shouting at his players, as if posing for a local news photographer to capture his outrage about dog fouling on a public path. The Leeds United bench, by contrast, was active from the first moment to the last. Bielsa let much of it orbit him on his bucket, of course, punctuated by his carefully paced walks across the technical area; but the conversation around him and including him never ceased. If there was a detail that might help Leeds win, Bielsa and his staff were going to find it.

It might have been wise to start by properly outraging public decency by kidnapping the linesman. He raised an offside flag against Ezgjan Alioski in the first minute, probably by default, ignoring that Alioski was onside, forcing the referee to withdraw the penalty he’d just awarded Leeds. The officiating was, in general, rubbish; Richard Keogh spent his night raining slaps on Kemar Roofe’s back and shoulders whenever he went near the ball which, given how hard Roofe was working, could be anywhere on the pitch; but Roofe was booked for an innocuous tackle on Keogh. Pablo Hernandez made the incompetence obvious; after he was ordered to retake a corner because the linesman, fifty yards away, thought the ball had been kicked from outside the quadrant, Pablo ordered the referee to stand and watch as he placed the ball again. Only one person was in charge of that situation.

That corner helped Leeds to the opening goal. Scott Carson punched the ball out of his area to the feet of Jack Clarke, making his first league start. Even Craig Bryson knew Clarke was going to beat him en route to the byline, and Roofe reacted brilliantly, sprinting to the front post to finish Clarke’s cross.

Clarke has yet to meet a full-back he can’t beat, and played through his debut with a shrug, as if wondering what all the fuss is about first team football. On the other side Jack Harrison was the winger and Alioski the left-back, but Derby were really up against two wingers; the hard work of Harrison, and the antics of Alioski. Alioski bust his guts up and down the wing all night, and continued being the nearest thing football has to Buster Keaton. While making a tackle the ball flew up and hit Gjanni full in the face, bouncing into his path, where he controlled it before sprinting away upfield, and you just don’t get that from other footballers.

Alioski registered an assist for United’s second goal that was very much in keeping with his theme. Clarke surprised Carson with a cross over his crossbar, and Carson palmed it along in Alioski’s direction. Alioski was still skidding to a falling halt when the ball struck his heel, but it deflected into Harrison’s path, and he booted it into the net. This was just after half-time, settling the one worry from the first half: that Leeds had only scored one goal. That had allowed Lampard to make his clever half-time substitution, bringing on David Nugent to play 4-4-2, a change that became all but irrelevant within two minutes.

United’s performance was a lesson in possession as an instrument of attacking and control. They simply wouldn’t let Derby have the ball; it didn’t take fifteen minutes for Leeds to establish all ten outfield players in Derby’s half, with Bailey Peacock-Farrell not far behind the halfway line. Leeds pressed higher and harder than they have for weeks, helped by renewed energy from Mateusz Klich after his rest for the FA Cup match, and renewed form from Adam Forshaw, who didn’t get a rest, but did get the message that he has to improve while Kalvin Phillips is suspended. The highest praise I can give Forshaw is that he played this game like David Batty would have, if a little more visible, patrolling midfield behind Klich and Hernandez and nipping attacks in the bud, then getting the ball to Pablo as quickly as possible to build the next attack.

Forshaw was supported by the strong defending of Luke Ayling, Pontus Jansson and Liam Cooper; Cooper’s return added immediate authority to Jansson’s determination and, dare I say it, additional creative possibilities thanks to his long balls to the wings. With Cooper, corners automatically became easier to defend, but easiest of all was that Derby only won two, one at the very end of each half. If you don’t concede them, you don’t have to defend them, continues to be Bielsa’s best set-piece philosophy.

And, spying be damned, Bielsa’s philosophy continues to be the best in the Championship. It’s not only United’s position in first place that proves it, nor the thoroughness with which they’ve dismantled Frank Lampard’s Derby County, twice. It’s the joy. Spygate contributed to a raucous Friday night atmosphere in the stands around Elland Road, and whatever the condemnation, Bielsa’s long lengths — and lens — in search of victory is part of the joy. But then, look at how the team play. And look at who the players are.

We’ve been waiting for some of these, like Roofe and Cooper, to show their worth after being bought from divisions below and too often playing like they were still there. We’ve looked at some, like Alioski and Klich, and wondered why we bought them and what they were bringing. We’ve longed for Jansson and Hernandez to impose their class, and not become mired in a division below their talents. We’ve been waiting for Bielsa to come along, basically.

Marcelo Bielsa has been everything Leeds have been waiting for, binoculars included. If the rest of football doesn’t think that’s a good thing, we’ll just have to enjoy it without them. ◉

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Brilliant!!

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Brilliant!!

Yes, yes it is.

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Yep. Very enjoyable read. Particularly like:

'Alioski bust his guts up and down the wing all night, and continued being the nearest thing football has to Buster Keaton.;

Hilarious.

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