Leeds now

Foxy_Dread

EEPW I just think it's too soon for Marsch to be getting gobby. We've beaten the two worst teams in the league, and it took a Bielsa gung ho approach to overcome a self destructing Wolverhampton. Bielsa seems to now be judged by his final run of games, so let's see what improvement has been made over the next four games. I hope there is some.

With regards the injuries a balanced assessment would require physio type knowledge and going through them one by one. Perhaps Bielsa bears some responsibility perhaps not. The physio dept stress test the players and monitor it to the nth degree.

Of course Bielsa had his flaws but the man could coach football. Again let's see if Jesse can, at the start of next season we shall start to see. I genuinely hope so. I had no ill will towards him until the talksport shite. Now I think he's a bit of a cock.

Incidentally this will be the third consecutive chronically shortened pre season. Not enough rest time.

CBIT

Foxy_Dread Night aimed squarely at you Foxy

king_of_the_slums

Foxy_Dread The cliches and tropes around Bielsa are laughable. The whole "he works them too hard," thing especially. But we love the idea of a pantomime villain, bonus points if they're forrin or got brown skin..

Foxy_Dread

Whilst in defending Bielsa mode, statistically I don't think we've had the rub of the green this season. Last year on the run in we did get the luck. A couple of different results and things would have looked very different at the time of Bielsa's sacking.

doggybag

Foxy_Dread
Agree. And if we had been able to get Gallagher on loan, Bielsa would still be there.

Mitaman

Foxy_Dread statistically I don’t think we’ve had the rub of the green this season

I agree, I wonder how many times we have hit the woodwork this season? It seems to be quite a lot, I could be wrong.

Mitaman

Mitaman Answered my own question, joint second behind Man City. If just 5 of those had gone in..... :-/

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/hit_woodwork

doggybag

Saw the interview with Jesse Marsch on Talksport. I don't know how he thinks this kind of critique is going to help the team that is still Marcelo Bielsa's. Willing to give him some slack but this was not a good thing to do, infantile really.

Mitaman

doggybag I am not sure its infantile, but I do think he is not very astute, likely a little thick, and naive about the detailed scrutiny a manager is under in the PL. Waaay too open with what he says (and how much he says), he’ll learn the hard way.

Mitaman

CBIT

I'm toying with an instant ban for anyone who posts talksport clips/links on here, what do with think ??

Mitaman

OK, I take that as a cease and desist order…

white_dragon

Jesse should bring the interpreter back for interviews. Then he could take a minute to think before he runs off at the mouth.
If he thought that Marcelo overtrained them , absolutely no need to air it publicly. Lack of respect, typical self congratulating yank . Let's see what the next 4 games points haul is.

Placid

How and why do people even listen to Talksport?

Fuckin baffles me. Its so obviously set up to create friction. All points hyped to death.

Marsch needs to keep schtum, needs to learn not talk to those cunts.

Kevin_Stapleton

Every time I see Simon Jordan I think of the hotel receptionist in Spinal Tap.

“I’m just as god made me sir”

But yeah, silly Jesse.

EEPW

I really think this whole talksport interview has been blown completely out of proportion. Bielsa was a god to all of us and what he did to turn us into a mid table prem league outfit in 3 years was miraculous. But he has gone and whether peoples think it was the correct decision is irrelevant now. The problem Marsch has is that there are not many managers who are sacked that have the support and loyalty of the fan base as Marcello has, and any slight whiff of criticism of MB by anybody is jumped on as being disrespectful. The harsh reality is that something had to change, and Bielsa seemingly unable to veer from his philosophy of intense training sessions and double murder ball sessions during international breaks when the squad was on its last legs unfortunately sealed his fate. That along with his insistance on a year to year rolling contracts meant it was impossible for the board to plan ahead. The unthinkable would have been for us to go down and then Bielsa informing the board he was off. Its no secret that Marsch was the no 1 target and it made absolute sense to bring him in early, or lose him completely if we were relegated, his 2 and a half year contract points to the fact that he is here now whether we stay up or not. Lots of nonsense being spouted about Marsch talking too much and he should shut his mouth. Is he REALLY talking more than any other PL manager to the press? Lets not forget that in Bielsa we had a manager who refused to do any interviews outside his obligated pressers and then only in Spanish, so we have in effect had 4 years of silence and it might just seem that marsch is a gobshite, when in fact his behaviour is actually more normal than we are used to. rant over

Mitaman

EEPW You make some great points,but honestly I find him verbose. He says a lot without actually saying much at all. I am probably being harsh on him, but I hate wafflers.

His comment about over-training I found a little startling, and whilst he is likely just speaking the truth as he and his physios see it, you just don’t say it.

Placid

EEPW

Lots of good points, I never see or hear TS but are the Prem managers obligated to go on? Not sure what his outcome objective was prior to that interview. Whatever it was I’m pretty certain he is regretting what he said and probably going on there.

I agree with Bielsa sacking decision btw.

Foxy_Dread

A lot of people know a lot more about Bielsa's training methods than I do. Weekly murderball, daily weigh-ins, anything else I'd be guessing.

Nor can I compare the sessions with those of other managers, I have no knowledge of theirs.

It seems to me the analysis of Bielsa's training methods are results and injuries led. Last year we were winning and everyone cooed how we had the fittest team in the league. This year we are losing and apparently they are over worked.

This season comes down to injuries and more teams pressing us more effectively. We have still seen this season when teams let us play we get results, the tiredness must have vanished at West Ham and Villa for example.

As I've said before, are the injuries Bielsa's fault? I think it would need an injury by injury audit to determine that.

We are stuck with Marsch* now, I hope he is everything Orta believes him to be.

*I'd have gone for Corberan in the summer.

king_of_the_slums

Foxy_Dread yeah, funny how the tiredness ebbed and flowed. Shame the cliches didn't. The man, the mystery. Reduced to an inflexible Johnny foreigner working the lads like they're POWs in a Japanese prison camp. Everyone knew apparently.. 😄

EEPW

Placid agreed about the talk sport interview being ill judged but i suppose He will have had no idea what kind of radio show it was so ill give him the benefit of the doubt. Still it was an innocent question and he answered honestly. Maybe he misjudged the REAL feeling Leeds fans have towards Marcello?

Mitaman

Placid I couldn’t believe he even went on the show. Think he hasn’t been given the best advice, he needs someone at the club to help him here. What next Countryfile?

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