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Travis_Bickle

It's important to remember the dynamic here. Israel attacked Iran. The wisdom and legality are questionable at best. Hezbollah, with depressing inevitability fired rockets into Israsel (you can make a good case that those rockets were aimed at civilian areas, don't forget that bit). Israel responded in an arguably disproportionate fashion.
As the conflict continues, the problem with Hezbollah is clear. The Lebanese government order a cessation of all military activity in the country by Hezbollah. And expel the Iranian ambassador. The fighting continues. And the ambassador hasn't left. The Iranian government, Hezbollah's real leaders, taunt Joseph Aoun's government. Aoun just wants both sides to stop killing his people.
I'm no defender of Netanyahu's incursions. But, when we've had literally years of talk of 'occupation' in this thread, perhaps some of you will look at Hezbollah's truly malignant presence in Lebanon as well and ponder whether they're worthy of your ire too.

90Piesanhour

No one is blindly defending Hezbollah or the Iranian regime. Putting aside the politics, people are just sickened by the endless bombing and destruction of people and towns, while the world shuffles around looking at their feet. Russia is rightly vilified for attacking Ukraine, and the media supports this, but mention Palestine or Lebanon and people look away, or worse still, laugh. That’s the problem. Israel and their big bully mate, USA, getting away with murder. It’s come to something when a horrendous regime like Iran’s is now being cheered on as they refuse to kow tow to an unprovoked attack by two of the most out of control state/nations in the world.

Djpekingman

90Piesanhour ' but mention Palestine or Lebanon and people look away' - Unfortunately this has been the case since 1948, starting with the French and British. Lebanon has not had a government in control of 100% of its territory in living memory and has little or no support from the outside world to create one.

Travis_Bickle

90Piesanhour That’s the problem. Israel and their big bully mate, USA, getting away with murder. It’s come to something when a horrendous regime like Iran’s is now being cheered on as they refuse to kow tow to an unprovoked attack by two of the most out of control state/nations in the world.

The irony in these two statements is staggering.

Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza, Kataib Hezbollah and Asaib Ahl al-Haq in Iraq and the Houthis in the Yemen have all sought to undermine democracy and to wage war, usually targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. And all of them are managed and directed by the IRGC Quds force.
They have provided funds and military hardware to rebel groups in Morocco and Ethiopia.
Iran's government backed terrorist plots against Jewish and Israeli targets in Turkey, Cyprus and Colombia in recent years, all part of a continuing pattern.
Most recently, they've cosied up to Putin and supplied drones for use in the Invasion of Ukraine.
Their soft power networks stretch across Africa and South Amercia, from joint military cooperation in Bolivia to funding religious schools in Nigeria, Ghana and Sudan.

But it's Israel and America that are 'out of control'.

YoungParisian_inExile

Travis_Bickle

I'm certainly not cheering Iran on but I get where Pies is going.
Israel and the States are currently doing what they want, safe in the knowledge there is very little condemnation of their actions. Any negative reaction there is, they don't give a fuck and Donald threatens those who do.

We live in a world where we've been brought up to believe that the USA is good, land of the free, democracy... and that everyone that wears a chapka, pakol, keffiyeh, turban, or hey ... lets be honest controls oil ... is an evil fucker who has to be defeated, for the good of the world.
*Or in the case of Greenland, needs saving from these evil fuckers .

There's no balance .

Travis_Bickle

YoungParisian_inExile I'm certainly not cheering Iran on but I get where Pies is going.

Really? Because I don't and can't see where he's going. What's to applaud? How easily can it's barbarity be excused or ignored?
We can agree about there being no balance. Point out the evils and indiscrections of the USA and Israel? No issue and rightly so. I may not agree with all of the allegations on here, but Netanyahu has the blood of innocents on his hands, that of Israelis, Iranians, Palestinians and Lebanese. Trump is no different.
Set out the same for Iran and others? A very different take. And that's what I don’t get. How liberal-minded people can take that view.
They execute people for being gay for fuck's sake. But, hey, they don't 'kow tow' to Uncle Sam eh?

YoungParisian_inExile

Travis_Bickle Really? Because I don't and can't see where he's going. What's to applaud? How easily can it's barbarity be excused or ignored?

On his point about the lack of condemnantion, sanctions etc against the States or Isreal. They're both currently behaving with impunity.
Iran are rightly condemned but not Israel or the States on a global politco-media level.

CharlieG

Some cunts don't, exactly, try to endear themselves.....
BBC News - Israeli soldiers punished over vandalism of Jesus statue in Lebanon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew790ppn8jo

Misura

CharlieG I saw that story/photo and the first thing that I thought of was after all the slaughter, brutality and inhumanity that has occurred during the last 2 years, that this act got the most/quickest attention/reaction. You can literally gang rape male prisoners, quadruple tap medical responders with drones, attack negotiators in Qatar and shoot civilians in the knees & genitals without issue, but take a sledge hammer to a statue of Jesus. Christ. 🙄

CharlieG

Misura Agreed. I was wondering how their mid - west mates will react.

doggybag

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/videos/cqxpww4l2ypo

Djpekingman

doggybag Infantino is an utter grifting cunt. Way out of his depth, arselicking anybody whom he thinks may give him money, eg, the FIFA Peace prize given to that warmongering orange fuckwit. Fifa really should be disbanded. Way too many grifting freeloaders.

doggybag

Djpekingman
Damned right; dog shit. (excuses to my canine buddies).

doggybag

I hate Avi Bluth. Does this make me antisemitic? Before you all rush in, the answer is NO. I hate any racist, murdering übermensch. Avi Bluth happens to be Jewish and a cunt.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/05/israeli-army-chief-unequal-enforcement-palestinians-west-bank

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