General Election 2024

Anchor

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The bird who lamped a shake at Farage.

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Travis_Bickle

Anchor taking 'low rent' to new levels...

Anchor

Anyone watched the debate?

Sardine-Tree

Anchor
Thought Starmer won it on points!

Travis_Bickle

I thought it was a non-event. And that means a win for Labour. Just.
The format is shite. The moderator was beyond shite. But for the polls to shift Sunak needed a stellar performance. Something he was incapable of producing.

Harvest

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cordshoes

The debate was akin to a shouty child against a calm adult.
Unfortunately, a significant amount voted for a shouty child in 2019.
Starmer needs to show more passion, and sharper skills when debating

Travis_Bickle

cordshoes I'd have liked him to. But given where the polls are, I don't think he needed to.

cordshoes

cordshoes Unfortunately, a significant amount voted for a shouty child in 2019.

...add in short and repeated slogans, whether they are bollocks or not, and that is the recipe that won various recent elections and referendum.
This method of communication, however poor, hits with a decent number of the (easily fooled) population. See Johnson and Farage as examples.

I have heard Yvette Cooper (Strategy not Slogans) and Lisa Nandy (Is that it?) easily counter this childish communication, but it doesn't see to be Starmers style.
Will it make much difference in the end? I would rather not have to worry about it being an issue in getting rid of these proper cunts *

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I'm available for the next month as a Consultant Spin Doctor if Labour want me. 😚

cordshoes

Travis_Bickle you must have felt, as I did, that Starmer should have got better points across, and that many of us could have done better.
There were so many easy targets to highlights 14 years of incompetence and piss poor behaviour, and Starmer either felt it was beneath him to hit these targets, or didn't understand how easily he could have got these decisive shots fired.

Foxy_Dread

I wasn't impressed with Starmer at all.

Rwanda for instance why not make the point of how few people it will process and the high cost per person.

Travis_Bickle

cordshoes overly cautious. There were moments when he appeared riled but it was as if he'd been told, no outbursts. Ultimately I suspect that was the safest course.

Foxy_Dread

I would have left the programme thinking I'm going to pay 2k a year more tax as Sunak's claim was never countered.

I watched in the A&E waiting room so may have missed if Sunak did counter.

cordshoes

Foxy_Dread yep.
It was countered, but poorly.
So easy to win an economic debate against the Tories because the finances of the UK in 2024 just don't add up.
That somebody who is used to courtroom debate didn't realise, or attempt, to hit back, was disappointing

Raposa

The studio audiences laughs and groans at Sunak told you all you need to know.
Sunak did Starmers job for him.

Cooley

I heard it was just one boring cunt against an other - with a shit referee.

Foxy_Dread

Sunak and his plan, why not take the piss? Over 70 of his MPs are making other plans. How many leaders have the Tories had? Vote Sunak get Badenoch the Liz Truss acolyte.

It's not difficult.

Travis_Bickle

Foxy_Dread it was begging for a line about those not standing. There are names in there people know.
It felt at times like he'd been briefed to be restrained.

Anchor

Agree with Trav - don't get drawn in - let Roland rant and rave and make a fool of himself - which he largely did. Surely people will see his continual talking over schtick and trotting out the same lazy line. But come on - you have to flatly deny this 2K thing. Which has now been rubbished by the treasury themselves.

It was poor, overly orchestrated and Etchingham (as much as i'd like to practice on her) was awful.

Travis_Bickle

Anchor he did make a comment about how the figure was calculated but I wonder whether not engaging with the allegation at length was deliberate. Let Sunak repeat it over and over again. Allow it to become the one thing people recall. All the while knowing that you have a letter that shows it's, at best, not what Sunak suggested it was or, perhaps more accurately, that the claim is dishonest.
I could be crediting Starmer with more guile than he possesses, but he has played a very clever and effective game in his time as leader.

Foxy_Dread

The question is how many people will have watched last night who won't hear the belated put down.

Djpekingman

Foxy_Dread That Sunak's claims were bollocks is all over the Independent, Grauniad and BBC websites this morning. Unfortunately, most people that believe Sunak won't be reading those august publications. I've no idea what the Sun and Mail etc have written about it and have absolutely zero inclination to go find out.

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