Israel

Travis_Bickle

Some pretty sickening stuff out there. This won’t end well.

doggybag

Nope, it won’t. Everywhere you look, there’s some mad fucker wanting to kill some mad fucker. How did Netanyahu expect his idea of ‘democracy’ to be received by the Palestinians? Blind, stupid, mad fucker.

MDF

Who’s the bad guy and who’s the good guy?

Raposa

Cars being driven around the streets of many UK cities with Palestinian flags aloft in celebration like they’ve done something really good.
Not a nice world we live in at all.

CharlieG

Djpekingman

If I say the Israeli government and Likud are a bunch of utter cunts and have been since 1948 am I being anti semitic or just anti murdering cunt?

Travis_Bickle

Djpekingman And Hamas? The people spitting on corpses? Gunning down the elderly at bus stops?
What about the successive Palestinian leaders and administrations that have refused to engage in peace talks? Administrations that have the extermination of all Jews as one of their core principles.
As children are abducted, abused, terrorised and killed. As woman are raped and their corpses paraded in the streets, you choose to aim your ire at the Israeli government? A government that some of those now dead or captured may well have been protesting against in recent months?

king_of_the_slums

Are these lot anti semitic?

Placid

Its a right mess.. going to take something massively radical to resolve. A massive shift in each side’s opinion to reach a mutually beneficial common ground.

The only solution I see is an entirely new country with no Palestine no Israel but something including jews and muslims inclusively.

Fat fkin chance

king_of_the_slums

Placid isn’t that what they had before the Conservatives jumped in and took it off the Ottoman’s?

Reggie_Perrin

The most positive comment on the whole situation I’ve ever seen is the Sandler movie “Don’t Mess with the Zohan”. Tells you something.

Loose_Lips

Our legal team are in Tel Aviv. The lad who looks after our division said they live under constant fear but this was off the scale.

He says it’s 9/11 out there.

4×4’s driving through holes in the wall created with explosives after pretty much their whole arsenal of rockets got set off.

I’m with Placid. This is almost never going to be solved.

Djpekingman

Loose_Lips 75 years and counting. Until the likes of the warmongering Netanyahu and his moneyed US backers are gone there will be no end.

space

One of the first news clips I saw was an Isreali government official stating that ‘we are being attacked from the occupied territories’, both pointing to the problem and the solution in one short statement.

Mitaman

The Israelis are being outbred by 3:1 by the Palestinians living in Israel. The country won’t exist in the next 100 years whatever happens.

doggybag

I recommend to read A Line in the Sand by James Barr. It shows where the bodies were buried in the decades after the first world war. It’s really is rather sordid.

space

Travis_Bickle if the PA were supported and its borders respected then Hamas would never have taken hold of power.

Djpekingman

Travis_Bickle Hamas are the result of 75 years of disenfranchisement and oppression. You kill innocent civilians indiscriminately, steal their land, destroy their houses, lock them up in refugee camps, deny basic human rights and living conditions to millions of people over an extended period of time WTF do you expect? Hamas are not right and will win few friends with this action, but its no surprise they react like this when they known nothing else for generations. The Israeli government sowed these seeds and they are reaping what they have sowed.

Travis_Bickle

space my post wasn’t an unequivocal endorsement of Israel or the settler expansion. To say that there is intransigence on both sides is an understatement.
That’s always been my point when this issue comes up (we’ve been here before and Sderot was at the heart of that thread too).
There are two sides here. That doesn’t come across is much of the discussion. I questioned why, when one side displays such barbarity, the victims in this instance are the object of criticism.

space

Travis_Bickle I was running on from what you said rather than criticising.

cordshoes

All the reporting does seem to focus on Israel being the ones thst are being killed I.e. Palestine being the only bad guys.
Understand it this weekend, but over the past decades it has been massively one-sided the other way.