heyho
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old_codger
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Loose_Lips
Who's your old man Hey Ho? (If you don't mind me asking?)I think I'm going to enjoy this to be honest - there was never going to be a Leeds film on the big screen about their charitable work was there, so I'll take what I get given.
heyho
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old_codger
It works now.I know some people might not regard crap casting as important for a film, but when you add it to lots of other little mistakes and annoyances in the film, it gets to be a oain in the arse as well as spoiling the flick.
The_Last_Waltz
Taken from the SC site - Eddie Gray's view"Whenever the subject of Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds United is brought up, it's never very long before my name gets a mention. "I was, after all, the target of one of his memorable quotes that if I'd been a racehorse, I'd have been shot long ago. It's not your average "hello". That was back in 1974 and when I hear his comment now, I smile to myself and think "that's Clough for you". "To me, Brian Clough was first and foremost a great football manager. That should never be disputed. On top of that he was such a character, someone who made me laugh whenever I saw him on television. If I'm being honest, he still does. "Whatever I think about his time at Elland Road, it's not a period I look back on now in a serious or unhappy way. It wasn't a great time for Leeds United and it wasn't a great time for the players but, to me, the Clough reign is just a part of the football career I enjoyed. Thirty five years later, I can't see any reason to feel bitter. "The comment about the racehorse was made to me during that famous meeting when Brian told us to launch our medals into the nearest bin. "Strangely, I think it annoyed some of the other players more than it annoyed me. "I'd been injured for a long time and there was a serious chance that I might not play again so I can understand why people might be very unhappy to hear that sort of remark made to someone in my position. "I took it with a pinch of salt and the comment itself didn't really bother me it just seemed strange that someone whose own playing career had been cut short by injury would show so little sympathy to a player potentially in the same position. "The odd thing about me being injured was that I was probably one of the first people to realise that the relationship between Clough and Leeds wasn't going to work. I don't think you can say that it would never have worked, and a different approach from Brian might have made a big difference, but some of his methods were crazy. "None of us got to know Brian well, partly because he was manager for only 44 days, but also because we didn't always see that much of him. "Brian would turn up half-an-hour late for training and, in that half-hour, I'd watch the other players running round and round the training pitch with his number two, Jimmy Gordon. "Jimmy was a smashing bloke and a good Scot but he was more of a physical trainer than a tactical brain. After a while, the boys started getting fed up and wondering why they were going round this bit of grass again and again. The amount of actual football work that was done could often be quite limited. "Maybe Brian saw that as a way of stamping his authority on the club, and that might work with young lads or older guys who've never done anything in the game. At the time, we were the league champions and the best team in the country. It's a different kettle of fish. "Despite that, I'd still say that he was sacked too early. It's just possible that, had he gone on for a month longer than he did, his attitude and style of management might have softened and the players might have come to understand him better. That's far from guaranteed, but it shouldn't be forgotten that Jimmy Armfield came in and took us to the European Cup final, so the talent was there. "It's that competition which I think was on the minds of the board when they decided to sack Cloughie. They were obviously worried about the way the season was going and what might happen in the future, and they felt they'd made a mistake. "Whatever anyone says the decision was theirs, not ours. It's been well documented that they called a meeting with the players and asked for our thoughts, though for what it's worth I thought that was wrong. "Players don't hire and fire, and they shouldn't have any involvement in that. It's something for a chairman and his directors to deal with. I suspect they'd already made their minds up and were simply looking for a bit of confirmation. "I agree with the opinion that Brian was a bit lost without Peter Taylor, his assistant at Derby County and Nottingham Forest. Peter was the sort of man who could deflect some of the more outrageous comments Brian tended to come out with and who could keep him in check. The success they had together proves what a great team they were, and they bounced off each other brilliantly. "Quite why Brian was so successful, I can't really say. The fact is, he was. My brother, Frank, won the European Cup under him when he played for Forest but he's never been able to explain what it was about Clough's style that made him such a good manager. "As far as Frank is concerned, he didn't see Clough as an amazing tactician and he couldn't put his finger on his secret. Maybe that's the mark of a genius. "One thing I was very aware of while Brian was at Elland Road was his complete dislike of Don Revie. Unfortunately, he didn't have a good word to say about Don. "That's one thing I expect to come across in the film of The Damned United, which I'll see for the first time tomorrow. No matter how much controversy and how many arguments it's caused, I plan to enjoy it. I've read the book and I thought it was great. I can understand why certain people are unhappy with certain aspects of it, but it's fiction based on fact and it's a good idea that's been done very well. "Some of what's in there is obviously rubbish by that I mean it's not very accurate but novels are written to entertain people. It certainly entertained me and gave me a few laughs, as I know the film will. The added interest is that my son, Stuart, plays me in the film. "Whatever's in there good or bad it won't bother me. We're talking about things that happened 35 years ago and that's a long time in life, never mind football. "I'll just enjoy a story which, incredibly, people are still talking about with almost as much interest as they did back then. On top of that, it's been nice to see a club who mean a lot to me getting so much exposure and publicity over the last few weeks. We all know what they say about publicity.
heyho
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zico
My dad has also reviewed the film, but not yet seen it.Zicos old fella "Been watching out to see who we`ve got on loan, but been trying to avoid that DU bollocks and its hard"Zico "That DU film if I can pick it up for a couple of notes, you will watch it won`t you?Zicos old fella, "No. I`ll have nothing to do with it, the bloke was a complete shithouse and drunk. Waltz Leeds a merry dance, Johnny G. should have taken over as manager.Review of a man that`s 80 in April and took me to Clough`s last Leeds game.Me I love him, Clough can Fuck Off.
Cutsyke
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Blue_Lou_Boyle
Name dropping alertHunter has just said to me he'd never thought he'd say this but after watching that film he felt sorry for Clough. Wasn't impressed with the story they told, but full of praise of Sheen and the bloke who played The Boss.
Cutsyke
I want to see it. I understand it's only a fictionalized account of the time but Sheen looks fucking brilliant on the Youtube clips. Clough was a character, there's none around these days . But like any outspoken person no one's going to agree with them 100% of the time. I never flicked the channel over whenever he was on, no matter what he was spouting about.
gorefidel
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Cutsyke
I tried reading one of his books once. 1983. Someone should teach him how to write.
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heyho
By the way the bit where Clough is presented with his documents on some beach in Majorca (or wherever) is also fictitious. Well at leats my old man was grumbling 'I never bloody well got to go out there that's for sure'