Mokhtar_Dahari_Forever
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Mokhtar_Dahari_Forever
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old_codger
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Mokhtar_Dahari_Forever
i got your point, but I think i like clough even more after this movie, so thats one for his family.
Smutty_Lips
i don't get all this Clough hero worship - he was presented with a fantasitc opportunity and lacked the intelligence to grasp it. Twat!Edited to addCompare his fist of it with that of Jimmy Armfields, no comparison.
Mokhtar_Dahari_Forever
wat i saw of brian clough in the film is a working class man who had a dream of conquering the world and set out to do it.
Deadly_Doug's_Love_Child
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Smutty_Lips
Not disputing that DDLC but something got in the way of his ability whilst at Leeds.Just watched it tonight and the accuracy of it is poor - contains some right howlers. When something fictional is based on real events does the writer and film-maker have a duty to be accurate whenever possible?I have a problem with the fictional snubbing of Clough by Revie, I doubt very much it ever happened and it certainly never happened in a cup-tie at The Baseball Ground. The list of errors is a long and needless one. The other major one which helps simplify the narrative but is a major slur on Leeds is the game against Derby four days before their European Cup Semi-Final, this never took place.In this instance Peace strikes me as an opportunist, using Clough as a framework for a work of fiction, which if it didn't sponge off the memory of Clough and to a much lesser extent Leeds would have struggled to get any of the column inches it did.
Cutsyke
The other major one which helps simplify the narrative but is a major slur on Leeds is the game against Derby four days before their European Cup Semi-Final, this never took place.In fairness, you should get the fixture list correct. It's not a diffucult thing to do in the age of the www.
young_parisian
Sid James playing Billy, Charles Haughtry as Clough, Kenneth Williams as Taylor, chuck in Bernard Breslaw as Giles, Babs as the tea lady and bingo ....
heyho
Just bought it on DVD for my old mans birthday. He watched it over the weekend and said he really enjoyed it although there were obviously some major discrepencies in it (like he never set foot on some spanish beach to talk to Clough for starters). Main thing he did say though was that he thought the parts some of the actors took was excellent. But at teh end of teh day it is still just a film and not a documentary.Interestingly Peter Taylors daughter was on Radio 5 last night and she has said that their family is really pissed off that her dad has not had the acclaim he deserves. She said it isn't Cloughs fault but it is 'Brian this and Brian that' and it was really a double act. She was most pissed off the stand at Forest was called the Clough stand, reckoned it should be Clough and Taylor stand. And Forest had never invited her or any of her family down to the ground. The depiction of her father as the chief scout and tacticianer and Clough as the motivator was also wrong she said as BOTh shared those duties.
old_codger
I think Taylor comes out of the film pretty well, the only great manager in the film who doesn't is Don Revie OBE, now there's a surprise.
zico
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gorefidel
I had a load of preconceptions. Having watched it, I didn't come away feeling outraged as a Leeds fan - it was too much of a cartoon in they way it painted characters.I enjoyed the film for what it was, thought Sheen was great, Spall played Spall and that the characterisation lost the whole darkness that was in the book.I wasn't expecting accuracy so that didn't bother me and I thought Clough came across in general as what he was - a gifted, corrupt, driven, pisshead with a giant ego who was a self made disaster at Leeds because he could only handle one ego in the place. His. No wonder his familiy are upset. He came across as a cunt.Don was probably more gifted, but his demons meant Leeds and he underachieved. If he'd only had Cloughs self belief.The book was more destructive about Leeds and Peace is still an arse.
soldierant
That was it with Revie he was Leeds greatest strenght ,but also our greatest weeknesss .all those bloody files on the opposition God bless him though just shows that even great men have their weekness's though wonder where that insecurity came from ?I read somewhere yesterday that Taylors family are pisssed of because they've never been invited to Forest .that stand there should have been called the "Taylor Clough " stand & Clough gets all the credit according to Clough .but that was Clough no room for any one else but his "BIG EGO"I can't helping smiling at what a balls up of the England job he would have made if he got that job concidering he couldn't cope with the other ego's at Leeds .I wish they h ad have given him the job just to see it implode in front of him .now that would have been funny
gorefidel
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heyho
Clough was also a 'peoples man'. One of the first things he did at Leeds was to endear himself to the backroom staff (the non playing side lot). He even went as far as going to the board and telling them that they paid shite wages to these people and one or two got pay rises because of it. It could be said that his strategy was to try and 'earn' the support from the bottom up. He didn't have time to endear himself to the fans like he had at derby and went and and did at Forest.Everyone knows that at the end of the day the biggest fuck up was to end the Revie continuity by bringing an outsider in and that was the boards fault by being totally out of touch and up their own fat arses. A Giles/Bremner partnership might have been a big gamble and intersting to see how teh likes of Lorimar, Madeley et al would have taken to it but it woudl have made more sense as we all know.
king_of_the_slums
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